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Firefox's 'retreat' ensures Microsoft excels
Contractor UK ^ | Aug 22, 2005 | Contractor UK

Posted on 08/26/2005 6:31:03 PM PDT by Bush2000

Firefox's 'retreat' ensures Microsoft excels

Open source web browser Firefox has lost the momentum it has steadily gained since it was unleashed last year, according to Web analysts at Net Applications.

The online portal’s unique Hit List service reveals a slump in the Mozilla browser’s market share, falling from 8.7% to 8.1 % in July.

Coinciding with its demise, was the advance of Microsoft's IE that has gained some of the ground surrendered in June, climbing back from 86.6 % to 87.2% last month.


The revival for the dominant browser comes on the back of average monthly losses of between .5 to 1% for Redmond, as Firefox started to gain acceptance among a wider audience than just tech-savvy users.

When asked by Contractor UK whether Microsoft’s sudden gains were from the unveiling of a new IE, Net Applications said a re-launch tends revive industry interest, and could have bolstered Microsoft’s market share of the browser market.

When a company launches a new product, there is always renewed interest in what the company has produced and it would also be fair to say that this may have had an effect, said a member of the Hit List team.

Although, there have been browser issues with Windows 2000 in the news, so it is possible that again you may see a dip [in Microsoft’s market share]. Right now, people are looking for security and whenever there are issues with the security of one's system, they will use what they feel will be the most secure.”

Besides Net Applications, web developer site W3 Schools, confirms that adoption of Firefox is falling, just as IE is reaching its highest share of the market in 2005.

According to W3's data on specialist users, Microsoft IE (6) enjoyed a 67.9% share in July, improving to 68.1% in August matched against Firefox’s top share of 21% in May, which has now dropped to 19.8% for the last two months.

Observers noted that both sets of analysis concur that Microsoft’s loss, up until now, has been Firefox’s gain, but over the last month roles have reversed.

Security fears concerning Mozilla and its browser product have recently emerged, coinciding with Microsoft’s high-profile trumpeting of its new safer browser product (IE 7), complete with glossy logo.

Experts at Net Applications said they were surprised at Firefox’s sudden retreat, saying they expected a slow down before any decline.

Yet they told CUK: “Whenever there may be problems with security, there always is a decline with users changing browsers.”

Data from the Web analytics company is based on 40,000 users, gleaned from their global internet operations, prompting some commentators to question the so-called ‘global decline’ in the Firefox market share.

The Counter.com reportedly finds that between June and July, Firefox actually increased its share by two points, and overtook IE5 for the first time ever.

The Web Standard Project suggests webmasters should treat data from web analysis providers with caution, before rushing to make service changes.

So what can we conclude?” asks the WSP, a grass roots project fighting for open access to web technologies.

“Not much: Mozilla-based browsers are probably used by just under 10% of the web audience and their share is growing slowly. IE5.x is probably used by somewhat less than that and its share is declining slowly. IE6 is roughly holding steady.”

Meanwhile, Spread Firefox, which measures actual download rates of the browser, reports that it took just one month for the Mozilla Foundation’s showpiece to reach 80 million downloads in August – from its July total of 70 million.

At the time of writing, Firefox had been downloaded 80701444 times, meaning adoption rates of over 10m occurred one month after Net Applications says Firefox bolted in light of the dominant IE.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
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To: birbear
I think I need to reinstall windows xp just get IE back up and running... it crashed hard about a year ago, and never does boot up any more...

Have you done a spyware scan? A lot of malware changes your home page and installs controls which habitually crash. Odds are, you're 0wn3d by hax0rz.
21 posted on 08/26/2005 7:24:29 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: TheHound
My extremely secure system has been breeched too many times through IE.

Your "extremely secure system" may not be as secure as you think...

More Security Flaws in FireFox than IE This Year
22 posted on 08/26/2005 7:26:41 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: TheHound
My extremely secure system has been breeched too many times through IE.

Your "extremely secure system" may not be as secure as you think...

More Security Flaws in FireFox than IE This Year
23 posted on 08/26/2005 7:28:16 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: suzyq5558

I'm glad it works for you. Cheers.


24 posted on 08/26/2005 7:28:47 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: suzyq5558
You can get RSS feeds in FF, too. I think they're called "active bookmarks". Personally, though, I use an extension called Sage to manage them.
26 posted on 08/26/2005 7:30:49 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Bush2000
IE7 has a "glossy new logo".. WoW, that makes all the difference..

As soon as I got a windows PC and internet I downloaded Netscape..
I eventually graduated to Mozilla, then to Firefox..
I have never looked back..

The only way I would use IE7 or any other MS browser is if absolutely nothing else was available..

My brother uses IE(6?)/Outlook , and AdAware finds major "bugs" after every use..
I can use Firefox all day/week long and not get the bug alerts he gets with one internet session..

My rule:
Always do Adware/Spyware/Virus scans after EVERY use of IE / Outlook.

27 posted on 08/26/2005 7:31:55 PM PDT by Drammach ( I AmThe Sultan of Oom Pa Pa Mow Mow.. Heed My Words..)
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To: FinallyBackInNH

also, it was posted by MS fanboy bush2000

First, this is one sample. There is no mention to the methodology of measurement. It can fluctuate greatly - there were several market share studies done during the first browser wars and they never agreed on actual numbers - they often weren't even close.

I'msure in a few days this story will be revealed as the usual FUD.


28 posted on 08/26/2005 7:34:26 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: Bush2000

I began playing with browsers when I heard about Netscape Mosaic. It was still beta at the time, I think somewhere around 0.71. I stuck with Netscape for years, and used it alongside Internet Explorer on several computers. But MSIE kept getting better while Mosaic lagged behind and continued to have instability problems.

A lot of people have a kind of instinctive hatred of Bill Gates and Microsoft as a monopolistic bully. But Internet explorer is just plain better and faster than the various forms that Netscape has morphed into. I think the reason for the numbers is that a lot of uninformed users went over to Firefox because many publications pushed it. Then they got tired of it and reverted.

Confirmed Firefox users are another kettle of fish. Presumably they will stick with it.


29 posted on 08/26/2005 7:37:32 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: konaice

What "not" did you "not" understand. I am "not" an advocate for any brouser. I am just trying to tell folks (who I feel are my friends) to use something that is "not" IE, they will do whatever they see fit.


30 posted on 08/26/2005 7:39:02 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: Drammach
IE7 has a "glossy new logo".. WoW, that makes all the difference..

Uh, dude. If that's all you think has changed, you're uninformed. Here's a partial list of features.
31 posted on 08/26/2005 7:39:58 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: FinallyBackInNH
"falling from 8.7% to 8.1 % in July..." = "demise" ??

Thank you!

But I'm surprised that it took ten whole posts before someone exposed that idiocy -- or should I say, "overt bias"? Trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy, hmmmm?

That article must have been written by the MS Marketing Dept... Typical liberal BS: tell a blatant lie, and most of the MSSheeple will buy it -- because who checks facts, nowadays? Not those who've guzzled the MS Koolaid...

32 posted on 08/26/2005 7:40:42 PM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: Cicero
A lot of people have a kind of instinctive hatred of Bill Gates and Microsoft as a monopolistic bully. But Internet explorer is just plain better and faster than the various forms that Netscape has morphed into. I think the reason for the numbers is that a lot of uninformed users went over to Firefox because many publications pushed it. Then they got tired of it and reverted.

Agree totally. There was certainly a curiousity factor; but that has apparently run its course...

Confirmed Firefox users are another kettle of fish. Presumably they will stick with it.

And they'll continue to complain about websites optimized by web designers for IE7. And, continuing the long tradition, nobody will pay any attention to them.
33 posted on 08/26/2005 7:42:23 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000

People are suprised by this?! I use FireFox, I like FireFox, but FireFox was never going to replace IE, there never was a fight, all there happened was IE had a couple of so-so months.


34 posted on 08/26/2005 7:42:30 PM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: TheHound

We win again!


35 posted on 08/26/2005 7:45:00 PM PDT by ShandaLear (Announcing you plans is a good way to hear God laugh. Al Swearengen, 1877—Deadwood)
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To: Bush2000
CSS bug fixes and enhancements

But IE still won't conform to CSS standards.

36 posted on 08/26/2005 7:45:29 PM PDT by thecabal
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To: flashbunny
also, it was posted by MS fanboy bush2000

LMAO! Yeah, it's gotta be FUD, then...(Is that the best you have?)

First, this is one sample. There is no mention to the methodology of measurement.

Read the article. It's a statistical sampling of 40,000 users. These are the same sampling methods used by pollsters except, in this case, the sample set is much larger.

I'msure in a few days this story will be revealed as the usual FUD.

LMFAO! You better hope so. Otherwise, your little egos are going down in flames...
37 posted on 08/26/2005 7:45:37 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Cicero

"But Internet explorer is just plain better and faster"

Srry, your'e living in the past there. It was better than netscape, especially when netscape was still lagging in it's rendering engine.

Now IE is in no way superior to firefox. As long as they continue to include the horrible ActiveX, it will continue to suck.

MS's usual policies of "innovate until you dominate" are at work with IE. Now the've stagnated an any 'innovation' they throw out is just a rehash or a copy of something firefox already does.


38 posted on 08/26/2005 7:48:21 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: Bush2000
the Mozilla browser’s market share, falling from 8.7% to 8.1 % in July...Coinciding with its demise...

Demise? A 0.6% decline in market share is a demise?

39 posted on 08/26/2005 7:49:12 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Bush2000

Anybody who attaches their "ego" to percentages of browser use is in a sorry state of affairs.


40 posted on 08/26/2005 7:52:44 PM PDT by Connie Cardullo
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