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Firefox's 'retreat' ensures Microsoft excels
Contractor UK ^ | Aug 22, 2005 | Contractor UK

Posted on 08/26/2005 6:31:03 PM PDT by Bush2000

Firefox's 'retreat' ensures Microsoft excels

Open source web browser Firefox has lost the momentum it has steadily gained since it was unleashed last year, according to Web analysts at Net Applications.

The online portal’s unique Hit List service reveals a slump in the Mozilla browser’s market share, falling from 8.7% to 8.1 % in July.

Coinciding with its demise, was the advance of Microsoft's IE that has gained some of the ground surrendered in June, climbing back from 86.6 % to 87.2% last month.


The revival for the dominant browser comes on the back of average monthly losses of between .5 to 1% for Redmond, as Firefox started to gain acceptance among a wider audience than just tech-savvy users.

When asked by Contractor UK whether Microsoft’s sudden gains were from the unveiling of a new IE, Net Applications said a re-launch tends revive industry interest, and could have bolstered Microsoft’s market share of the browser market.

When a company launches a new product, there is always renewed interest in what the company has produced and it would also be fair to say that this may have had an effect, said a member of the Hit List team.

Although, there have been browser issues with Windows 2000 in the news, so it is possible that again you may see a dip [in Microsoft’s market share]. Right now, people are looking for security and whenever there are issues with the security of one's system, they will use what they feel will be the most secure.”

Besides Net Applications, web developer site W3 Schools, confirms that adoption of Firefox is falling, just as IE is reaching its highest share of the market in 2005.

According to W3's data on specialist users, Microsoft IE (6) enjoyed a 67.9% share in July, improving to 68.1% in August matched against Firefox’s top share of 21% in May, which has now dropped to 19.8% for the last two months.

Observers noted that both sets of analysis concur that Microsoft’s loss, up until now, has been Firefox’s gain, but over the last month roles have reversed.

Security fears concerning Mozilla and its browser product have recently emerged, coinciding with Microsoft’s high-profile trumpeting of its new safer browser product (IE 7), complete with glossy logo.

Experts at Net Applications said they were surprised at Firefox’s sudden retreat, saying they expected a slow down before any decline.

Yet they told CUK: “Whenever there may be problems with security, there always is a decline with users changing browsers.”

Data from the Web analytics company is based on 40,000 users, gleaned from their global internet operations, prompting some commentators to question the so-called ‘global decline’ in the Firefox market share.

The Counter.com reportedly finds that between June and July, Firefox actually increased its share by two points, and overtook IE5 for the first time ever.

The Web Standard Project suggests webmasters should treat data from web analysis providers with caution, before rushing to make service changes.

So what can we conclude?” asks the WSP, a grass roots project fighting for open access to web technologies.

“Not much: Mozilla-based browsers are probably used by just under 10% of the web audience and their share is growing slowly. IE5.x is probably used by somewhat less than that and its share is declining slowly. IE6 is roughly holding steady.”

Meanwhile, Spread Firefox, which measures actual download rates of the browser, reports that it took just one month for the Mozilla Foundation’s showpiece to reach 80 million downloads in August – from its July total of 70 million.

At the time of writing, Firefox had been downloaded 80701444 times, meaning adoption rates of over 10m occurred one month after Net Applications says Firefox bolted in light of the dominant IE.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
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To: Golden Eagle
hey, congratulations on those two year old market share graphs -way to provide up to date information!

But again, it just proves what I said - when the people who know what they're doing make decisions, they CHOOSE apache. When the suits get involved, it's usually IIS.

Hey, do you have any charts from 2003 that show kerry is favored to win the 2004 election? They're probably just as relevant now.
101 posted on 08/26/2005 9:11:11 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: jbstrick

The GSP requires participants to visit Microsoft's headquarters in Redmond to review the source code.


102 posted on 08/26/2005 9:12:25 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Golden Eagle

http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3399661

"It should be noted that Port80 Software has a horse in this race, however. The vendor's bread and butter comes from developing software that integrates with IIS to beef up the server's security and performance as well as enhance the IIS user experience."

SMACK!!!!!

An unbiased survey (33 months old) done by a software company that makes its money patching up MS's clunky web server software. HAH!

Great find there, mr turkey! I think you have a few more toes left to shoot off. Go ahead, take aim again. Everybody needs a good laugh.


103 posted on 08/26/2005 9:14:06 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: suzyq5558
Lektora will let you read RSS feeds in Internet Explorer.

 

104 posted on 08/26/2005 9:14:12 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Bush2000

Look at this way. IF IE didn't come with windows and people had to actually choose a browser, what do you think they would choose in a side by side comparison between FF and IE? It will just take more time, new marketing approaches and it'll be a never ending battle. I don't think FF is fading, just that it has peaked for a certain demographic.


105 posted on 08/26/2005 9:15:46 PM PDT by pure_capitalist (Proud Supporter of www.clubforgrowth.org)
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To: flashbunny
Read it and weep.

http://www.techweb.com/showPressRelease.jhtml?articleID=X333718#_
106 posted on 08/26/2005 9:15:57 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: flashbunny
hey, congratulations on those two year old market share graphs -way to provide up to date information! But again, it just proves what I said...

LOL, proves what you said? The only thing that's been proven is you're never right about anything.


107 posted on 08/26/2005 9:17:14 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Bush2000

108 posted on 08/26/2005 9:19:11 PM PDT by pure_capitalist (Proud Supporter of www.clubforgrowth.org)
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To: Golden Eagle

"ROFL you still don't get it? You put up a chart of Apache then tried to claim it showed Windows servers declining when actually Apache runs on Windows. And you're still arguing about it, LOL."

HEre's what I said, copied and pasted EXACTLY as I wrote it:

"What's significant in this graph is that MS has stopped growing in its web server market share"

No where did I mention Operating systems. I didn't mention windows. YOU did. You tried to put words into my mouth. You, quite frankly, are nothing more than a liar.

And a really pathetic one at that. If you're going to claim I said something, it shouldn't be on the same thread where the information is plainly available that condtradicts your claim and reveals you to be a liar.

OK, I think you're done with you left foot now. Start taking aim at the right foot. Start with the big toe and work left to right!

Liar.


109 posted on 08/26/2005 9:19:32 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: pure_capitalist
IF IE didn't come with windows and people had to actually choose a browser, what do you think they would choose in a side by side comparison between FF and IE?

As Jesse said on SNL (the only time that I've ever really found anything he had to say funny), "The point is moot!"

It will just take more time, new marketing approaches and it'll be a never ending battle. I don't think FF is fading, just that it has peaked for a certain demographic.

It was inevitable. FireFox has exhausted the supply of bad-hygiene geeks.
110 posted on 08/26/2005 9:20:58 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: pure_capitalist

Download != Conversion


111 posted on 08/26/2005 9:21:31 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Golden Eagle

port80 software makes its money patching up a sub-standard web server package from MS.

BTW, compared to your two year old graph, it shows Apache has made a 4% gain and MS has shown a .4% LOSS in the corporate market. OUCH!

Congratulations on continuously shooting yourself in the foot.

PS. You are a liar. Just restating what has been documented on this thread.


112 posted on 08/26/2005 9:21:43 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: Bush2000

" The Top 1000 Application Servers Survey conducted last month by Port80 Software, a developer of tools for IIS Web servers"

Unbiased source right there. Kinda like the DNC touting a poll it did on Bush's approval ratings.

BTW, that storie shows MS's corporate share has declined in the past 2 years. Where's your news story on that? Is it a sign of the 'demise' of MS web server?


113 posted on 08/26/2005 9:24:00 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: Golden Eagle
Wow you're really having trouble with the reading comprehension today aren't you? here is his post please find the part that says anything about the windows operating system

What's significant in this graph is that MS has stopped growing in its web server market share.

Hmm what is Microsoft's web server product?

a) Windows
b) IIS webserver
c) Linus Torvald's father was communist (I know you're not happy until you can say that)

114 posted on 08/26/2005 9:29:25 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: flashbunny

LOL, you were supposed to bold your fonts when you started shrieking names, what happened, just wanted to shriek names without the bold fonts this time?

As anyone who knows anything is aware, a graph of Apache doesn't distinguish what operating system it is running on, and it could be a MS operating system. They do sell ~70% of all servers, of course.

http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn052505-story01.html


115 posted on 08/26/2005 9:29:46 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: flashbunny
Unbiased source right there.

Fine. Refute it. Show me anything that contradicts it, if you can. But we both know that you can't produce jack squat to support your position that "bias" has twisted the results of the survey.

Here's a clue. One of the reasons that Micrsooft IIS got a lead in corporate networks was that Apache's support for SSL was way late, late, late.

Secure Server Survey

Microsoft controls nearly 40% of that server market.
116 posted on 08/26/2005 9:30:45 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: pure_capitalist

Not representative of total number of users, since you typically have to download an entire new version just to get a simple security patch.


117 posted on 08/26/2005 9:32:11 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Bush2000

Yeah I couldn't really understand. I don't consider there to be another browser war until somebody besides IE get's over 20%, preferably 25%. Until then it's just playin in the fringe. I like FF, it's a good browser, I like having alternatives, but people shouldn't get crazy.


118 posted on 08/26/2005 9:32:11 PM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: Incorrigible

WOW thanks! im downloading it right now. freepers are the best!!:)


119 posted on 08/26/2005 9:33:27 PM PDT by suzyq5558 (Liberals disgust me and fill me with loathing..... foolish people.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Not representative of total number of users, since you typically have to download an entire new version just to get a simple security patch.

Wow, what incredibly "innovative" technology they have... /SARCASM
120 posted on 08/26/2005 9:36:52 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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