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Looking for Help with a New Vehicle Purchase (Vanity)
Alberta's Child | 7/20/05 | Self

Posted on 07/20/2005 3:17:05 PM PDT by Alberta's Child

I've been spending the last few months mulling over a new vehicle purchase, and I'm hoping to get some input from Freepers who may have purchased a full-sized pickup truck in the last couple of years.

I currently drive a 1994 Ford Explorer, and I rented a 2005 model for a weekend this spring while mine was having some work done on it. I'm not thrilled with the current generation of Explorers, mainly because the driver's seat feels more cramped due to some of the safety features that have been added over the years (airbags in particular). I looked into the next larger size of SUV (the Expedition), but they cost quite a bit more than the Explorers.

A while back I became very impressed with the Ford F-150 pickup truck, which provides Expedition-like size for a lot less money. I've done extensive research on the vehicle and found that it may not have the best track record in terms of reliability, though it appears that some of the problems with the 2004 model year have been corrected in 2005. I decided to wait until the 2006 model year comes out, since I figure the truck will only get better as some potential problems are worked out, but after doing some more research I'm wondering if this wouldn't be a great time to buy a 2005. With the Family Discount that GM and Ford are offering on their vehicles, the prices I'm seeing are incredibly low (I've priced a well-equipped F-150 for just a couple of thousand dollars more than I paid for my Explorer in 1994).

I'm looking for help on a couple of things:

1. Does anyone out there own a 2004 or 2005 Ford F-150 4x4? Is there any wisdom you can offer on the vehicle?

2. I'm pretty much a Ford guy when it comes to trucks (for one big reason you'll see below), but I'm not totally sold on the F-150. Is there anyone out there who has owned multiple full-sized pickup trucks in the last few years who can offer some positive/negative points on several different brands?

3. Any other comments/suggestions that truck owners can provide?

My Explorer has about 270,000 miles on it, and it still runs very well so I'm looking to keep it until it dies. This is the kind of use I can expect for a vehicle -- 20,000 to 25,000 miles per year, and I intend to keep it for at least ten years.

I've got some specific technical questions that I'd like to run past someone who knows these trucks very well (particularly the Ford). I'll post them below as replies after I get some input here.


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To: Alberta's Child
No, gas costs are not your friend. I'm getting the king cab version in another week or so.
21 posted on 07/20/2005 3:44:40 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Alberta's Child

Remember that Diesel has approx 9% (~ 6% for 100% BioDiesel)more energy/gallon than gas, though the refining losses are less. Diesel vs gas is up lately, but I'm not sure why. It may return to being at par with 89-91 octane gas within the next year. Diesel does provide some protection against availability if you also have a gas engined vehicle in the family "fleet".


22 posted on 07/20/2005 3:46:40 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Alberta's Child

Not sure. I haven't sat in the new 150. The 250/350, however, have this problem, as did a friend's previous-interation 150, as did the taurus I had for a while, as did a fox-platform Mustang I sat in, as did my folks' Explorer. I have to think that this is part of their standard geometry for the interior. It basically translates to about 4-5" of my thigh just above the knee not being supported, and I am 5' 10" with average-length legs. GMs in general, and the Dodge 1500 I test-drove, all had much better support under my leg. I also like the way GM and (recent) Dodge lay out their gauges/switchgear better.


23 posted on 07/20/2005 3:49:01 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Alberta's Child

There are Ford van 4x4s at approx +$4k and GM have(or had) factory 4x4 options.


24 posted on 07/20/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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25 posted on 07/20/2005 3:49:22 PM PDT by MarkeyD (I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: Little Pig
Also, I have never liked the Ford transmissions

Too much lag time when going from drive to reverse nd vice-versa? My F-150 could do better in that area but I also drive a Crown Vic that is awful slow to engage.

26 posted on 07/20/2005 3:51:39 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Ye olde roadside donuthouse hooligan)
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To: MarkeyD

H3s are supposedly low on power/weight.


27 posted on 07/20/2005 3:52:15 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Looking4Truth
Just don't buy some disposable Kia or some such car and finance it for longer than it will last.

Yep, I hear ya. I haven't made a vehicle payment in 7 years, and I like this just fine!

28 posted on 07/20/2005 3:53:22 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Horatio Gates

Find parking places that are "pull through" or back in for a quick getaway. ( I currently have a veh that doesn't like to go into reverse unless it has been driven > 20 miles, so know alot about this technique).


29 posted on 07/20/2005 3:54:50 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Pukin Dog
I'm hoping that with the right powertrain I can do fairly well as far as fuel costs are concerned. My Explorer is rated 14 City / 18 Highway (it's got the 4.0-liter V-6), and I've probably averaged about 18 mpg or so for the life of the vehicle. I can get as high as 22-23 on long highway trips.
30 posted on 07/20/2005 3:56:35 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Paladin2

The offroad videos of the H3 on the Hummer web site are impressive.


31 posted on 07/20/2005 3:57:22 PM PDT by MarkeyD (I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: Alberta's Child

If gas milage is a concern buy all-weather gear and a motorcycle. You'll be thanking me later.


32 posted on 07/20/2005 3:59:28 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I have a couple friends who have been having transmission trouble with Dodge trucks from early this decade. I have no info about whether this has been sorted out, but it is an EXPENSIVE fix, and my buddy is now on his third. Ach!

I'm naturally averse to anything from General Mistake, but I also have little info on the performance of the Ford pickups.

My only warning regarding the Ford is that if you are buying a diesel, be sure to hear one first: Ford diesels usually sound like a tumble dryer filled with marbles and baseballs. The F-150s use the reliable (almost indestructible) 5.4l modular engine gasoline, IIRC, and I recommend them highly (as I have the 4.6l modular in my Crown Vic).


33 posted on 07/20/2005 4:01:13 PM PDT by Petronski (So, ma cherie, you like ze boum boum?)
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To: Alberta's Child
I don't think a van will do it for me. I sometimes need to climb curbs and ride off pavement for work.

The high center of gravity of a van might be a problem if the terrain you're driving off-road on is pitched steeply enough, but the ground clearance, wheel diameter and chassis design of the E350 are all pure truck, and one-ton truck at that. Of course, if you're talking about four wheel drive then that's a different matter.

34 posted on 07/20/2005 4:02:04 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Alberta's Child
My biggest problem with a diesel is that I live in a state (New Jersey) where diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline.

That's everywhere. JUst recently I drove from Az to S. Carolina and back and everywhere the price of diesel hovered somewhere between the price of mid-grade and premium.

For a full-sized truck, I would definitely recommend the diesel. The fuel savings will offset the price.

35 posted on 07/20/2005 4:02:36 PM PDT by uglybiker (Did ya hear the one about the cannibal who passed his friend in the forest?)
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To: Horatio Gates

What year Vic? Have you checked the tranny fluid level recently? How many miles?


36 posted on 07/20/2005 4:05:49 PM PDT by Petronski (So, ma cherie, you like ze boum boum?)
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To: Alberta's Child

I've take 3 F250 Super Duty 4X4's over 250,000

An Explorer- 300,000

Escort-200,000

2003 250SD 4X4 at present (minor vacuum pump leak fixed under warranty)

Any major probem with any of them was "operator induced"


37 posted on 07/20/2005 4:07:33 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Petronski

It's an '04 with just over 15K. I just drive it since it's a city car and was just checked out today with no fluid level probs. Honestly, the lag time to go into reverse is about 4 seconds.


38 posted on 07/20/2005 4:11:13 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Ye olde roadside donuthouse hooligan)
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To: Horatio Gates

That is DEFINITELY not right. It sounds like a manufacturing defect (in an accumulator maybe). I'd keep calling dealerships until I got a maintenance department with a sympathetic ear. There's no way you're going to get the full life out of that transmission.


39 posted on 07/20/2005 4:14:45 PM PDT by Petronski (So, ma cherie, you like ze boum boum?)
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To: Horatio Gates
...I just drive it since it's a city car

Oh, it's not yours? Oh okay. Well, someone's screwing it up.

40 posted on 07/20/2005 4:15:55 PM PDT by Petronski (So, ma cherie, you like ze boum boum?)
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