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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince--SPOILER ALERT!!!
me | July 17, 2005 | grellis

Posted on 07/17/2005 5:16:14 PM PDT by grellis

THIS THREAD IS INTENDED FOR READERS THAT HAVE COMPLETED THE BOOK! If you have not yet read the book, consider yourself warned: There will be spoilers on this thread.

For my fellow FReepers who have no intention of reading the book but would like to discuss the more controversial issues related to the work, I am asking you as politely as I can: DO NOT HIJACK THIS THREAD. We are all members of this forum and as such, it is not up to me to disallow anyone from participating in the discussion. That is why I am asking you--please do not hijack this thread. If you would like to discuss the more controversial aspects of the book, maybe you could start your own thread and ping us over there. If we are interested, we'll come.


TOPICS: Books/Literature
KEYWORDS: diary; halfbloodprince; harrypotter; horcrux; hufflepuffscup; locket; nagila; predictions; professorsnape; ravenclaw; ring; spoilersgalore
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To: retrokitten
from the article:

Dumbledore was baffled by the meeting, since Voldemort (a/k/a Tom Riddle) plainly knew that there was no chance that Dumbledore would hire him, and Dumbledore knew that Riddle knew.

Maybe he just wanted the employee discount for a new GM?

TS

741 posted on 07/25/2005 12:32:45 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (When you're ready to have a mature discussion about the Green Lantern, you have my email address.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Maybe he just wanted the employee discount for a new GM?

LOL!

742 posted on 07/25/2005 12:39:22 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Good one!

But he must not have got it since he cursed the job.


743 posted on 07/25/2005 12:39:52 PM PDT by JenB
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To: retrokitten
If I want to hear about how I am a horrible person and going to hell I'll call up my mother in-law. ;-)

LMAO BWAHAHAHAHA!

744 posted on 07/25/2005 12:45:33 PM PDT by grellis (Funkle Queen)
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To: Tanniker Smith

LOL!!!


745 posted on 07/25/2005 12:54:47 PM PDT by retrokitten (www.retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: GraceCoolidge
Doesn't a horcrux have to be made at the moment of a killing?

I don't think so, but this is all speculation on my part. In Slughorn's memory, Riddle was wearing the ring, but (I assume) he did not, at that time, know how to turn an object into a horcrux. At some point, IIRC, DD mentioned (or at least supposed) that Tom/VM made horcruxes from significant deaths--at least, that's what I remember. I know DD made it clear that VM chose the objects which would become horcruxes based on their significance. The death of Tom's father would certainly have been significant; I believe that it was that murder, and the resulting "splitting" of Tom's soul, which enabled Tom to eventually make the ring into a horcrux. Again, all speculation. All we really know about the creation of a horcrux is that it requires an act of murder--that much has been specified by Slughorn.

746 posted on 07/25/2005 12:54:57 PM PDT by grellis (Funkle Queen)
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To: grellis

Thank you I'll be here all week. ;-)


747 posted on 07/25/2005 12:56:37 PM PDT by retrokitten (www.retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: r9etb
There is a very short scene in Order of the Phoenix that may support the theory -- where Dumbledore consults one of his odd instruments. Two snakes appear and intertwine, and Dumbledore says something to the effect of "but in essence divided."

That'll keep me thinking for the rest of the day!

748 posted on 07/25/2005 12:57:12 PM PDT by grellis (Funkle Queen)
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To: GraceCoolidge

I think you have to do a murder in order to split the soul for the Horcrux. They never mention the timing needed to store it somewhere. I think you have to just know the spell or whatever to put it in something. Not sure though.


749 posted on 07/25/2005 1:27:25 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" never has better advice been given.)
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To: JenB

Yeah I know, they are listed in my post 716, but Voldemort is included to make 7 which is the most magical number.


750 posted on 07/25/2005 1:29:09 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" never has better advice been given.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama; grellis

Somehow I lost this thread and had to do a search to find it again. This thread has 6977+ views!


751 posted on 07/25/2005 2:48:26 PM PDT by retrokitten (www.retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: retrokitten

cool....


752 posted on 07/25/2005 2:49:22 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" never has better advice been given.)
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To: retrokitten

Boy! I got into that discussion over there in that
Harry Potter vs. the Lavendar Mob. What a mistake!
There's nothing worse than closed minds voicing
religious bigotry.


753 posted on 07/25/2005 3:28:21 PM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: phoenixfeather26

Are there portraits of the founders? I thought
the portraits were of former Headmasters only.
If all the former teachers were also depicted,
the many Dark Arts Teachers would be hung
on the walls!


754 posted on 07/25/2005 3:33:14 PM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: retrokitten
I've already received a private message implying that I was not a good Christian because I read (and enjoy) books that aren't just about the glory of God.

No, I don't. So sue me.

755 posted on 07/25/2005 3:33:56 PM PDT by kellynch (Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus)
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To: GraceCoolidge

"I just don't think Harry's scar is the horcrux. I think the entire person or creature would have to be the horcrux, not just some physical feature of that person."

That said, what about Professor Quirrell being used
by the parasitic Voldemort? Both were able to function
independently despite V's having ensconced himself
inside Quirrel. When Quirrel died, V left to find
another host.


756 posted on 07/25/2005 3:37:42 PM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: GraceCoolidge

Re Regulus Black. Most Freepers are convinced that
RAB is Regulus. I'm not knocking that suggestion...
but I sure would like the A of RAB explained. I can't
make heads or tails out of that one, so I'm holding
out for there being someone else in Book 7 with those
initials. Just to throw a monkey wrench in here! <>g<>


757 posted on 07/25/2005 3:46:31 PM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: Grendel9

There was an article posted somewhere in the last 50 or so posts. The writer thinks that since it takes 2 people to get to the locket, maybe the initials are that of 2 people. Regulus and someone else? When I first read the book, I thought that maybe they were Amelia Bones' initials. RAB would work for Regulus and Amelia and the B from both their last names. However, they couldn't both go in the boat, I don't think, unless one was underage. Of course maybe the 2 of them only measured as one great wizard even when combined. Someone thought That Kreature was with him because he would probably not register as a person in the boat.


758 posted on 07/25/2005 4:42:43 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" never has better advice been given.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama
Elves do seem to defy a few of the rules. As do phoenixes.

The one problem with Black being RAB is that Hermione should have discovered that when she checked. There should have been a record of his middle initial. That means that he would have given himself a nickname, like "Avenger", that he started using, which in this series seems to be a regular occurence.

Now if Amelia was actually a middle name, would Hermione have discovered her first name started with "R", but it wasn't used? Probably, official records would list the given name.

So it's likely a full or partial pseudonym.

TS

759 posted on 07/25/2005 5:01:09 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (When you're ready to have a mature discussion about the Green Lantern, you have my email address.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

We checked and found out that Amelia Bones' middle name was Susan. If RAB is more than one person, it could still fit. Or it could stand for Regulus And B-----. B for someone's first name, Kreacher wouldn't fit, obviously.


760 posted on 07/25/2005 5:17:44 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" never has better advice been given.)
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