Posted on 07/17/2005 5:16:14 PM PDT by grellis
THIS THREAD IS INTENDED FOR READERS THAT HAVE COMPLETED THE BOOK! If you have not yet read the book, consider yourself warned: There will be spoilers on this thread.
For my fellow FReepers who have no intention of reading the book but would like to discuss the more controversial issues related to the work, I am asking you as politely as I can: DO NOT HIJACK THIS THREAD. We are all members of this forum and as such, it is not up to me to disallow anyone from participating in the discussion. That is why I am asking you--please do not hijack this thread. If you would like to discuss the more controversial aspects of the book, maybe you could start your own thread and ping us over there. If we are interested, we'll come.
Oh, thank you! I thought I'd have to go back to the sandbox again, but I am so grateful to have what I need in one place!!!
Wouldn't he be called "Harry Kerry" say it phonetically LOL!
what was DD talking about in HBP when he accused the Dursleys of mistreating Dudley?
He's a bit spoiled, doncha think?
A spoiled brat!
now I kinda can guess what DD was talking about.
I got the impression that he was referring, in general, to how Dudders was raised to be a spoiled, cowardly prat, among other things. I didn't think he meant anything in particular.
The Dersleys are gonna rue the day they failed to discipline thier son more.
He is a spoiled brat who's going to be a worthless human being. That's mistreatment, I'd say.
Excellent book, but I was really disappointed that Neville didn't figure more prominently.
Dumbledore is really, permanently dead. Anything else is wishful thinking. Rowling making him alive again would be just as cheap as bringing the Potters back to life. We might see him as a ghost, though, and definitely in portraits.
Snape as the HBP was not too surprising, given his skill with potions, and I had been expecting Dumbledore to die in the 6th book for a *long* time (necessary to remove Harry's protection and ramp up the tension for the finale in #7). I tend to agree that Snape was acting on DD's orders. I think Snape will die in the next book, possibly sacrificing himself in a similar way.
At the end, Harry leaves his invisibility cloak at the top of the astronomy tower; we know from Scrimgeour that the Ministry searched up there after the attack. Did they confiscate it?
As grellis noted, a Death Eater (the one Harry stunned in the tower) appears to have been captured alive -- how else would Scrimgeour know about it? So, why no further mention of it?
Now we have some connection to Gryffindor...the only relic left associated with Godric is the sword in DD's office, right?
I keep wondering about the Sorting Hat. It dates back to the school's founding, IIRC -- did it belong to Godric? Of course, it's still in DD's office, just as inaccessible to Voldy as the sword is.
Harry feels he has bigger fish to fry this next year, but in order to be an Aurer he'll need to complete his 7th year.
Given Harry's unwillingness to work w/ the Ministry (for now), I wonder whether he really needs such certification. I mean, where does an Auror work, other than the Ministry of Magic?
But when another Death Eater hit Harry from behind Snapes warned him off by shouting "No! Have you forgotten our orders? Potter belongs to the Dark Lord! We are to leave him!" So by my reckoning the mere fact that Snapes didn't kill or kidnap Harry is meaningless.
I can buy that Voldy may want to kill Harry personally, but surely he wouldn't mind Snape bringing Harry to him alive. I think Snape is bluffing to protect Harry.
Umbridge needs to be played by someone who is short and pudgy.
I'd suggest Miriam Margoyles, except that she's already playing Prof. Sprout, LOL...
Dumbledore hinted at something and I think it's that Dudley was offered admission to Hogwarts and they (probably Petunia) said no without telling him.
I think you must be referring to the 'damage' or 'abuse' DD said they'd done to Dudley. I'm quite sure that refers to their horrible parenting of him, such that he's a spoiled thug. I'm confident that Dudley is a Muggle.
I know what you're thinking. "Did he destroy six horcruxes or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a phoenix-feather wand, the most powerful device in the wizarding world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
ROTFL...
By the way, I'm astounded that in 500+ posts, *everybody* has respected your request to not hijack the thread for other disputes!
*ducking and running for cover*
Yes, I say Dudley was abused and turned into a real monster.
I agree!
It's amazing!
GRRRRR!
Did I just funkle like they do on the Hobbit Hole thread?
Yes, I was expecting great things from Neville ...
Dumbledore is really, permanently dead. ... Rowling making him alive again would be just as cheap as bringing the Potters back to life. We might see him as a ghost, though, ...
Well, after days to think about it, he could be alive. She wouldn't bring him back to life if he's dead, but it might be possible to fake his own death. The Potters we know are dead. Their images came out of the wand (in the wrong order, if I recall correctly ... a goof or no?). Given what Nearly-Headless Nick said at the end of Book 5, I don't think DD would be a ghost. (Now, kill Malfoy and he'd become the next Peeves)
At the end, Harry leaves his invisibility cloak at the top of the astronomy tower; ... Did they confiscate it?
Hmmmm, no idea. Then again, I was surprised that Malfoy didn't just steal the thing in the first place.
I keep wondering about the Sorting Hat. It dates back to the school's founding, IIRC -- did it belong to Godric?
The Hat was talked about in one of the earlier books. I was under the impression that it was created by all four and didn't belong to anyone in particular.
I can buy that Voldy may want to kill Harry personally, but surely he wouldn't mind Snape bringing Harry to him alive. I think Snape is bluffing to protect Harry.
As I may have mentioned earlier, one explanation for this is that getting Malfoy out is responsibility number one. Snape's life depends on it (the Vow along with whatever orders V gave). They are planning on Apparating as soon as they are off the grounds. Kidnapping Harry would make for a slower escape, and then there's the problem of Apparating along with Harry as a hostage, which might be difficult or impossible.
Dumbledore hinted at something and I think it's that Dudley was offered admission to Hogwarts and they (probably Petunia) said no without telling him.
I'd have to check that one out. Dudley never made anything unusual happen, except make his parents treat him like a little intolerable king. I've wondered from this post whether his mum could be a variation of a Squib. A Squib is born to magical parents but can't cast spells, but a squib *is* a magical person (they can see dementors, for example). Maybe there is something magical in her makeup.
Go ahead, Squib, make my day!
I don't know. What's a funkle?
Is that right Corin? Jen?
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