Posted on 06/30/2005 5:36:48 AM PDT by franksolich
Yeah, notice that Disgruntled couldn't answer a simple question.
Getting an answer to a simple question out of an Andyite is harder than trying to pry open a clam with a wet paper towel.
Why am I not surprised that a bunch of CU'ers seem to be buying into this garbage? Disgruntled can only handle it when nobody questions him.
CUer's like to poke fun at the DUmmies, but it's obvious they're surface people. Very funny but not very deep.
"BTW I've never seen you so adamant, you sounded mad there, not the usual easy going Franksolich"
I've got to see this post! I can't imagine frank mad. Do you have a link?
Well, what gets me is because I can't go into DUmmieland, and the Andyites can't come into here, I wander all over the internet, like a bison on the prairies, out there in the open, for any of the Andyites to confront me, to engage in constructive discussion of those three simple questions.
But alas, I show up, and they evaporate.
You mean the one where the Andyite Disgruntled ran away without answering a simple question?
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10690
He even used cuss words! lol
If I was you I'd be getting a complex about now.:)
Of course the Andyites only go to places that they feel safe. Then they put out garbage and it gets eaten up by the rest of the DUmmies. They will never answer the questions because they can't. We already know the answers though.
pinging to JLO, in case you have this one
Thanks! LOL! I can't believe that was you! I can always tell your posts whether I see you name attached to it or not. I would not have guessed this one right.
"He even used cuss words!"
I'm shocked! LOL!!!
bettyellen (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-05 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #93
102. He was not ready for immediate surgery at all, stop making inncorrect
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 11:03 PM by bettyellen
statements and spreading disinformation if you claim to care about the truth.
He had diabetes develop from the pancreaitis and could not get surgery until he was treated for that first. Somewhere in there he had a biopsy that didn't catch a good enough sample. His surgery date was iffy because of the diabetes.. A lot of things happened. Tests went on, exact diagnosis of the tumour itself was not 100% possible until cutting him open, it never is. Any of this was searchable info if people cared to clarify things, but many here sought to sow confusion and doubt instead.
All this timeline stuff is so oversimplistic-- the very assumption that if a prognosis doesn't bear out or circumstances or surgery dates change, there must be something nefarious going on, is deliberate and most willfull ignorance. The fact that the bile duct goes through the damned pancreas was deliberately ignored too. Anyone here could have googled it, but why didn't they??
Sorry to see you taken in by fallacy that he knew he had cancer and lollygagged on treatment soo much, or that any fundraising was done prior to April.
Wrong and wrong.
You think you were conned by your little and completely refundable donaton? Think again, the con lies elsewhere, and you are falling for it.
If anyone was sowing confusion and discord it was the Andyites themselves. Making Benburch the de facto spokesman was a master stroke of incompetence.
And then, of course, there was bettyellen's own statement that contradicted the Pancreatic Line.
It doesn't help when people who are asking questions that are reasonable and should be simple to answer are ganged up on and in many cases tomb stoned.
Some of the contributing memeber, and I posted this on Misty's site too, instead of throwing any more money down the Skinner Pit should pool their resources and start their own board.
Where is Krodg? I haven't seen him/her lately.
I've been busy working on VBS for our church. Tomorrow is our last day and then I'll try to post again and provide you fine people with a few laughs.
Ran across this :
Two Cases of Bile
Voter activist Andy Stephenson's pancreatic cancer has generated both love and hate on the Internet.
by George Howland Jr.
The Internet saved Andy Stephenson's life. In May 2005, the voting-rights advocate's online community came together and raised $50,000 in 11 days to pay for surgery to treat Stephenson's pancreatic cancer. Now, the World Wide Web has spawned a bizarre campaign that accuses the nationally renowned activist of faking his illness.
Stephenson, 43, who could pass for talk-show host Conan O'Brien's brother, became active on voting-rights issues in 2004 when he learned about the security problems with electronic voting. A resident of North Seattle, Stephenson frequented the left-wing Web site Democratic Underground (www.democraticunderground.com). This virtual community led him to Bev Harris of Black Box Voting (www.blackboxvoting.org), a Renton-based, muckraking activist dedicated to exposing the flaws in our nation's voting infrastructure (see "Black Box Backlash," March 10, 2004).
Stephenson brought an in-your-face activism to what had been a sleepy topic—imagine a combination of ACT-UP and the League of Women Voters. He loved to go into elections officials' offices with his camcorder blazing, demanding information on obscure aspects of voting systems and software. In 2004, he ran for Washington Secretary of State as a Democrat against Republican incumbent Sam Reed, promising to clean up the election system, only to drop out before the filing deadline. That same year, he also began working with Harris on her national campaign to make voting more secure. In the process, he established his own national reputation as a voting-rights activist. Stephenson says eventually he and Harris had a falling out, and they are no longer on good terms.
None of these setbacks discouraged Stephenson from pursuing his goal of improving the nation's voting system. In January 2005, he went to Washington, D.C., as part of a grassroots lobbying effort on behalf of the Voting Integrity and Verification Act, sponsored by Republican Sen. John Ensign of Nevada. While in D.C., Stephenson became ill with what he assumed was food poisoning. He flew back to Seattle and noticed his skin had turned yellow. He went to the Country Doctor Community Health Clinic on Capitol Hill and received treatment from Karen Johnson, a nurse practitioner, who became his primary care provider.
Months of illness and diagnoses followed. In April, Johnson says the cause of his illness was determined. "He has pancreatic cancer," says Johnson. After researching the best options for his care, Stephenson chose to have his surgery performed at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Md. "It's the best of the best," says Johnson. "Andy does his research right."
There was one little problem: Stephenson didn't have health insurance or much money. He says the operation cost $50,000, and Hopkins demanded payment in full before the operation for an out-of-state, uninsured patient. (A Hopkins spokesperson would not elaborate on the bill, citing concern for patient confidentiality.)
Enter San Francisco's Elisabeth Ferrari. She has never met Stephenson in person, but had gotten to know him through postings on Democratic Underground. When she became aware of his need, she decided to raise as much money as she could through an Internet appeal. On Friday, April 28, she put out a fund-raising request on Democratic Underground. Other progressive outlets and activists including blogger/author William Rivers Pitt, Sirius Satellite radio's Thom Hartmann, Air America's Mike Malloy, and numerous Web sites picked up the fund-raising message. By Monday, May 9, she had raised all $50,000—most in small donations of $25 or less. "Democratic Underground has 60,000 subscribers," says Ferrari. "Andy has many, many friends there. He is a people magnet."
It was a remarkable achievement and a real testament to the power of Stephenson's activism. Country Doctor's Johnson confirms that Stephenson had a Whipple procedure—sometimes called the "Olympics" of surgery because of its duration and difficulty—at Johns Hopkins Hospital at the end of May. The surgeon removed a "golf-ball-sized tumor" from his pancreas, according to Johnson. Stephenson came back to Seattle to recover and prepare for his oncology treatment. Says Johnson, "He needs chemo and radiation probably."
Then came the backlash. The origins of the rumors are murky, but the basic theme was Stephenson was a scam artist who didn't have cancer. The rumor spread like a computer virus across the Internet and soon vitriolic postings were popping up all over the place.
The backlash falls into a couple of general categories. One group appears ideological in nature: Conservatives are attacking Stephenson because he's a progressive activist. "The right wing just went crazy," says Air America's Malloy. "This is one of the sickest things I've ever seen."
Another group appears to be people who are rightfully concerned about Internet scams.
Fred Grady, an accountant from Stanton, Neb., straddles both groups. He pays for a site called Scamdy.com that alleges Stephenson defrauded people. He learned of the controversy through a conservative Web site, Free Republic (www.freerepublic.com), that has an ongoing flame war with Democratic Underground. He is also very concerned that Stephenson's fund-raising was not done properly.
The fund-raising effort for Stephenson was the work of amateur activists, not professional charities. Spontaneous mutual aid has both good and bad characteristics. Stephenson's friends did not provide the kind of checks and balances that are associated with mainstream philanthropy. For instance, the money went directly to Stephenson—there was no board of trustees controlling a third-party account and carefully documenting expenditures and donations.
Meanwhile, Stephenson was readmitted to the hospital because of postsurgical complications on Wednesday, June 22, and remained there at press time on Thursday, June 30. Stephenson says Medicaid is now covering him, so his medical bills are not a cause of concern.
I visited Stephenson in his hospital room at Virginia Mason Medical Center and listened to surgeons, a resident, and nurses discuss his cancer with him.
His spirits rise and fall on an hourly basis with the news of his condition. Through it all, he pushes his political issues, railing to me about decisions at the King County Elections Division.
His current diagnosis and treatment are unclear as the doctors struggle to figure out how best to help him. It is very clearly, however, a matter of life and death. "I am prepared for whatever the outcome is," Stephenson says. "I want to live—I don't want to die—but if not I've left a legacy."
ghowland@seattleweekly.com
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0527/050706_news_andy.php
OK I see its already posted in the thread ( I didnt read it all) ....so someone who is up on all this explain it to me...Scam or no scam..real or not real
ping
and Ping Pong back to the first thread again.
Maybe more like a pinball :)
The Three Questions (TM) are still yet to be answered by any of the Andyites, and it's looking more like a scam by the hour.
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