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Lord of the Rings - help needed (vanity)

Posted on 06/24/2005 7:13:06 AM PDT by hispanichoosier

I need help with LOTR. Two friends and I were discussing the books and movies last weekend. Friend 1 observed that the relationship between Frodo and Sam (in the movies) had homosexual overtones. Friend 2 retorted that the relationship is based on the master/servant relationship of old England and that Friend 1 was looking at it through American eyes, where rugged individualism is more prized. I--caught in the middle--had to admit that I thought that Sean Astin overplayed Sam at times but was great overall.

So, was Friend 1 right about the gay overtones, or was Friend 2's explanation correct? I'm rather at a loss over the whole debacle.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: aragorn; bilbo; fanboy; frodo; gandalf; lord; rings; sam; thisthreadisgay; tolkien
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To: Mamzelle
I still remember that first opening sequence of FOTR, though, and the delight and the astonishment..."Galadriel's talking...! There's the Shire! There's Gandalf in the Cart! He's singing the Road song!" And the warm spot PJ will have in my heart for my favorite Christmas presents for three years running.

~smiles~

Man, that was a heck of a good time.

121 posted on 06/24/2005 9:18:29 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Tax-chick
But compared to Viggo "The Lights Are On But Nobody's Home" Mortenson, the Aragon character is the second coming of Robert E. Lee. I was just boggled by the interviews I saw; you could practically see in his eyes and out his ears.

I agree, and think the same thing when I see Liv Tyler interviewed. Very beautiful, but lacking two active brain cells to form a thought ...

122 posted on 06/24/2005 9:19:33 AM PDT by fnord (497 1/2 feet of rope ... I just carry it)
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To: fnord

Liv certainly isn't a big thinker.... but at least she enjoyed all the pretty dresses ;~D


123 posted on 06/24/2005 9:21:47 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Tax-chick
re:I was just boggled by the interviews I saw; you could practically see in his eyes and out his ears.)))

LOL. I'm going to remember that one...

Just for fun, next time that you watch those movies, count all the cleft chins. I noticed that elves don't have cleft chins, but practically everyone else does. In the books, Frodo is described as having one...and they seem to be a dominant "mortal" gene in PJ's Middle Earth. A cleft is really rather rare, and is related to mild birth defects.

124 posted on 06/24/2005 9:21:54 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: HairOfTheDog; Mamzelle

I know it's not the same...but I'm really looking forward to the Narnia movies, which will be coming out in a similar fashion, so far as I understand. The first is coming around Christmas this year.


125 posted on 06/24/2005 9:23:12 AM PDT by RosieCotton (The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese. - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: RosieCotton

I don't have as much of a heartstring for the Narnia books, but the movies look beautiful.


126 posted on 06/24/2005 9:25:02 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

They aren't as deep in a lot of ways, being kids' books, but they're good. And yes, the movies look like they'll be beautiful! Funny...Narnia seems to have mountains very similar to the ones in Middle Earth! Heh...


127 posted on 06/24/2005 9:26:24 AM PDT by RosieCotton (The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese. - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Mamzelle

I really disliked how Arwen was written, personally. There's one beautiful, strong, warrior woman in the series and it's not her!

But that's just me. She annoyed me, with her breathy voice and silly outfits. And I wanted to see Glorfindel.


128 posted on 06/24/2005 9:26:51 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Oh, but she didn't make it to Helm's Deep. That would have been truly awful. She just waved a sword at the Nazgul. I think a lot of that dying stuff came from the story of Arwen's mother, Celebrian.

Did you notice that Eowyn had a deeper chin cleft than Aragorn?

129 posted on 06/24/2005 9:31:10 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Heh.... I missed all these chin clefts...


130 posted on 06/24/2005 9:33:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
And I wanted to see Glorfindel.

Pray tell, why? What does Glorfindel offer that another elf can't give?

131 posted on 06/24/2005 9:34:30 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Glorfindel was a fond reminder of how excited I was the first time I read LotR. Showing up on his shining horse to save Frodo - now that was cool.


132 posted on 06/24/2005 9:35:11 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Mamzelle

No, I wasn't staring at Eowyn's chin much...


133 posted on 06/24/2005 9:35:36 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

Arwen's horse shone ;~D


134 posted on 06/24/2005 9:36:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB
What does Glorfindel offer that another elf can't give?

Fiber?

135 posted on 06/24/2005 9:38:02 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Senator Byrd: Did the Union troops withdraw because of your Klan insurgency?)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yeah, 'cuz she killed Glorfindel and stole his horse!
136 posted on 06/24/2005 9:38:34 AM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
a site with some LOTR costumes , Arwen's Blue Dress is Item  # 100538. They won't let me link directly to the item...
137 posted on 06/24/2005 9:38:40 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: JenB

I have a brother with an Eowyn infatuation. There was much pause-age while watching her parts. I know of the chin cleft.

Oh well. She IS a cutie-pie. I'll give him that.


138 posted on 06/24/2005 9:40:11 AM PDT by RosieCotton (The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese. - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: RosieCotton
Mmmm... Eowyn.


139 posted on 06/24/2005 9:42:54 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: evets
Yes, I think that Sean Astin is gay.

He is actually a very Conservative actor, and worked at the Pentagon as a civilan aid to the Secretary of the Army.

140 posted on 06/24/2005 10:27:14 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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