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1 posted on 06/16/2005 7:26:21 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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106 posted on 06/16/2005 9:47:13 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: faithincowboys
If Drudge is right that the Pentagon is planning to dump more abuse photos from Abu Ghraib, there is no use --we should just surrender.

Turning the photos over is the result of a lawsuit not a decision to just put em out there derived by the Pentagon.

I only wish Islamofascist and socialist gave up as easy as yourself. I know my life would be much easier. No matter how much trouble the libs give our own government, I just can't give up. As hard as it is to see my sons go through deployments to the Middle East it would be much harder to see my grandchildren have to go clean up years down the road if we pull out early.

111 posted on 06/16/2005 9:51:14 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.And we're unlikely to get a look into this t)
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To: faithincowboys

To talk about giving up is stupid. C'mon, you know that. Instead of undermining morale, get a good nights sleep and pledge in the morning to fight even harder against the left.


115 posted on 06/16/2005 9:55:04 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: faithincowboys; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; ...

hmmmmmmm......

Give up in Iraq?


I want some of what he is smoking!!!

pinging to the RKBA!!!


128 posted on 06/16/2005 10:14:49 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (WELCOME TO THE 10000 THREAD!!)
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To: faithincowboys
If Drudge is right

That's the problem. You're listening to Drudge.

136 posted on 06/16/2005 10:24:52 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: faithincowboys; StarCMC; armymarinemom; Dashing Dasher; Sally'sConcerns; MikeinIraq; All
Let's not turn against eachother here.

I understand exactly what faithincowboys. Have no fear, the unsustainable bubble of nonsense called liberalism can't keep us locked out of academia forever. Sooner or later, the majority of Americans are going to realize that the Industry of Lies (the left) is causing so much damage to the U.S. and the cause of freedom that we have to have the backbone, as the majority of the nation to bring back sanity to education. We really do need to get our act together regarding this critical problem. It has gotten worse because we've treated it as business as usual. Please don't reply unless you have read what I have to say here. I don't think that it should be necessary to say this, but some of the replies to faithincowboys that I read here make me ask for this consideration.

faith did say this was a vanity thread and was clearly venting. I hope that you at least consider some of my "constructive criticism".

Do you guys consider Michelle Malkin to be a negativist or a troll??? She has a transcript of Ward Churchill and other libs discussing treason, asking questions such as "why did it take a bunch of Arabs to do what you all shoulda done a long time ago?" adding, "As a White man standing here in your midst, from a fairly liberal conservative [blah blah blah] and I'de like you to respond to 'why shouldn't we do something and how could we move so that they don't see us comin'?" The professor said: "You don't send the Black Liberation Army into Wall Street to conduct an action. You don't send the American Indian Movement into downtown Seattle to conduct an action. Who do you send? You. Your beard shaved, your hair cut close, and wearing a banker's suit." LINK HERE. That's the Democrap party and the RINOs.

I hope that FR gets on this issue seriously, the American Education Crisis that we are in, the intellectual version of the economic Great Depression, deserves at least one of those "Latest on..." links. I would call it "Latest on America's Education Crisis". But that's not very important, the important thing is that we seriously respond to the threat that the enemy within poses, and not only the external threats.

What did bin Laden say before the U.S. started Saddam's takedown? "The interests of Muslims and the interests of the socialists coincide in the war against the crusaders." Of course, in San Francisco, you saw the socialists marching in Saddam's defense. Part of that defense, that unholy alliance is the campaign to tar the United States as going to "war for oil" or by sliming the U.S. as a "terrorist" nation. You guys have to understand that neither al Qaeda nor the leaders of the left that give it aid and comfort, are more innocent than Americans loyal to her and her values and interests when it comes to being "crusaders." Either you believe in the American vision, in the great American enterprise, or you believe in the alternatives, which are either militant paganism, or Islamism.

The left thought that it was going to overthrow the U.S. by helping the communists and the USSR during the Cold War, from the proxy wars in China, Guatemala, El Salvador, and others, to the face to face in Vietnam and the Korean peninsula.

When John Stossel interviewed Ted Turner, the founder of CNN, militant anti-Christian, and former Jane Fonda "partner", the interview was going fine as long as Stossel emphasised the self-interest aspect of his special (titled "Greed"), but when Stossel pointed out that Turner and other wealthy billionaire and multimillionaire leftists did a more efficient job at getting things done, even humanitarianwise than say, the U.N. Turner decided to cancel the interview. Buy the DVD if you want to see. I only recommended it to support my observation, I don't share the Randian philosophy of Objectivism, and I'm not a Libertarian. Turner didn't want his leftist bubble of nonsense burst before the public, that's why he walked out and ended the interview. He felt quite comfortable as long as Stossel focused on the accomodation to self-centeredness that any free system must make. So the search for meaning of a leftist is exercised through politics. How do you teach this new kind of religion in a mostly Christian nation? For one thing, on the legislative front, you support the DP. On the intellectual front, you spend money on "progressive" groups and organizations and media productions. Just yesterday on FoxNews.com I saw video of O'Reilly pointing out how the New York Times was promoting Air America by doing 24 NY Times stories on it. That's probably because it loses millions of dollars and has to pay some of its own stations to put it on the air. Quote, "The only reason the network even exists is because a few loony millionaires finance it."

(BTW, how many stories on North Korean prisons has the NY Slimes or the Washington comPost done, compared to their many frontpage stories about Abu Ghraib?)

I often wonder if the Islamofascists might see an alternative in the United States if television and film reflected the majority character of this nation. I mean, by watching television you would have no clue that the majority of Americans are Christians. In movies about the past, the communists are the victims or the heroes of free speech, but McCarthy who investigated them in his Army investigations is the tyrant. Of course, someone that doesn't know better never sees the widespread emaciation and repression and mind control that such "heroes" of free speech betrayed their country to support in such presentations.

Going to American colleges and universities, a foreign engineering student might not see the American flag because the administration there might have considered the flag of the nation that built that college or university to be "offensive". Forget about anybody getting a good impression about the U.S. from our "progressive" professors, whose main role as the heads of the church of the anti-Christ is to inculcate the whiney incessant unsatisfaction with freedom and unappreciation for sacrifice that we are all to familiar with.

Of course America has had enormous shortcomings in the past, as we do today (especially in academia), but those shouldn't be dwelled on and made to give the impression that this is what America "is" or "was". The real issue is whether we are automatons of nature, and all that matters is how to manipulate trends to get, apparently, "our way."

In such a case, to oppose "communism" or some other form of "enlightened" dictatorship, seems to be madness. Knowing human nature, I imagine that many wealthy individuals are used to cutting corners to get what they want. They may feel a tinge of guilt or hypocrisy if they speak about healthy moral values or standards. Everyone has their issues. All of us as Plato alluded to in his parable, have been in "the cave." So don't underestimate the role that that plays in our society and politics. The tortured soul can become one full of madness.

I mean really, 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan are now part of a process that their people have not known in thousands of years, and this was really characterized as an issue of greed and selfishness by opponents of American military intervention? Wouldn't the protests have been more effective and rational if they were directed towards bin Laden and Saddam to end their brutality? How many people did we lose in Iraq in these last few years - fighting back against tyranny on behalf of ourselves and others - and how many did we lose on 9-11 in one day?

Yet the lib media uses focus-group engineered questions to produce "news" stories, giving us the latest leftist spin on the WOT.

I submit that those that advocate for a pull out of Iraq really lack a belief and faith in the American way, thanks to our "progressive" conditioners. It is not really worth fighting for, it is worth fighting against. Yeah, we should be hyper-critical of the freest, most prosperous, and morally relevant nation in the world, but not of those that work to undermine her.

This MUST change. It can.

I just wonder when the "preference cascade" is going to kick in again against the left. I got the term from Ace of Spades. He wrote, that it "resulted in a 'surprising' change: Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980, and then re-elected by a historic landslide in 1984. And then, in 1994, the liberals' 50 year old stranglehold on the House was ended." He was writing about "regimes" ruled by minorities, and in that quote, he referred to America getting away from what the media and politicians were telling the citizens that they wanted: which was to abandon the American experiment and follow the Marxist one. Anyway, speaking more broadly, Ace said, "Such regimes have little legitimacy, but they spend a lot of effort making sure that citizens don't realize the extent to which their fellow-citizens dislike the regime. If the secret police and the censors are doing their job, 99% of the populace can hate the regime and be ready to revolt against it - but no revolt will occur because no one realizes that everyone else feels the same way. [This is why the lib media desperately slants the news, even if it pisses off the smart people] This works until something breaks the spell, and the discontented realize that their feelings are widely shared, at which point the collapse of the regime may seem very sudden to outside observers - or even to the citizens themselves."

143 posted on 06/16/2005 10:33:30 PM PDT by Sirc_Valence (Lynne Stewart is a terrorist supporter and a Democrat)
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To: faithincowboys
I hate to say it, but whenever I see post like this I think of sock puppets.... Meaningless sock puppets.


166 posted on 06/16/2005 11:23:21 PM PDT by Porterville (Don't make me go Bushi on your a$$)
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You again....so what is the whine this week?

Faith you got to stop this whining.....it makes you look foolish.

170 posted on 06/17/2005 3:50:19 AM PDT by Dog
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"If I had a loved one in harm's way, I'd tell them to desert."

Well, aren't YOU special little precious.
Nice to know that you are doing your best to bolster the war effort... on behalf of the terrorists.
May Allah shine his malevolence upon you and your house.


174 posted on 06/17/2005 5:22:02 AM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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You really need to stop reading the NY Times.


177 posted on 06/17/2005 5:58:23 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: faithincowboys
"If I had a loved one in harm's way, I'd tell them to desert."

If this is how you would show support to your loved ones,that decided to serve for their country,I am sure glad that you don't have loved ones fighting the war on Terror!

That is the kind of mentality that lost us the Vietnam war and if the comments of the likes of Senator Durbin,you and the BS the MSM keeps repeating, we will head down this road again.

Have you/they not learned from the past?

You should be ashamed or yourself for even suggesting something like this!
178 posted on 06/17/2005 6:26:46 AM PDT by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: faithincowboys
I'll see that temporary insanity and I'll raise you some reality.

The only reason you believe that there is no mass movement to defend this country and the people fighting the war is because you have finally succumbed to the embarrassing media coverage. Where do the 60% of war supporting Americans go to have a public voice? Not many places, therefore the media litter the airwaves daily with their pathetic crap giving them the upper hand when it comes to a platform.

They got to you man.

These spineless bastards are getting these photos in order to report on our gulags, but who gives a FRruck? If you were to poll everyone on whether they felt like Abu Ghraib was torture or not, over 60% would laugh and respond with a hell no, but this is not what you will find on the television tonight.

Vietnam will not happen again, but buying into the media like you did will make you feel as if it will. This is what they want. Their intentions are from two directions. One is to make you feel as if this war is wrong. And two, if you agree with the war, they intend to make you feel like we are losing.

As for me, I will not allow some journalism pussy sway my opinion on any subject. FRuck all the liberals in this country and abroad. I despise you with every inch of my body and would much rather stomp a mud hole in your ass versus listening to your ignorant, repugnant crap. I know what this fight is about, and it has nothing to do with pacifying the muslim world. This isn't a public relations mission, it is about killing evil people, and I am 100% behind it.

183 posted on 06/17/2005 7:10:42 AM PDT by carolinacrazy (What?!...That could never happen in a.... world.)
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The US has "forgotten" how to win a war. The last war that we truly won was WWII, where we CRUSHED the enemy. We did not win the Korean War, nor the Vietnam War, nor the Afghan War. Our reluctance to to what is needed to win decisively and quickly will haunt us as we watch the world overrun by muslims.

The military MUST be allowed to perform the task as they were trained and to follow through to the end of the task. Otherwise, we are just sending our troops to needless deaths.


245 posted on 06/17/2005 10:00:14 AM PDT by ArmedNReady (Islam, the Cancer on Humanity.)
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Found one!


324 posted on 06/17/2005 10:45:42 AM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: faithincowboys

Sheesh. Want some cheese with that whine? I'm sure the President, the Soldiers, the people of Iraq greatly appreciate your wonderfully positive input. Thanks for sharing!

329 posted on 06/17/2005 10:52:06 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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At some point we will let Iraq go to follow its own destiny. Too soon and they will fall to enemies internal and external and it will be a bloodbath with another Saddam waiting to rise to power. Too late and we will see ourselves as ruling an empire that is not ours by right. They may be doomed no matter what, but we will give them as much of a start to self-determination and self-government in keeping with the idea of freedom as we can.


461 posted on 06/17/2005 3:42:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (Some may think I am a methodist)
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