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1 posted on 06/16/2005 7:26:21 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: faithincowboys

You again? More Rah, Rah from you, eh?

Well first, get your facts together. The Pentagon has been ordered to release these items. It is not their choosing.


2 posted on 06/16/2005 7:28:54 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (The only thing a man should moisturize is a woman.)
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A federal judge is forcing the Pentagon to release them to the ACLU.

Judge: Release Abu Ghraib Videos, Photos
3 posted on 06/16/2005 7:29:41 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: faithincowboys

Dude. Try to keep it together. If war were easy or cheap we would do it all the time.


4 posted on 06/16/2005 7:29:51 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: faithincowboys

Don't go wobbly on us.


5 posted on 06/16/2005 7:30:15 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: faithincowboys
I can't agree with your "surrender now" comments (and I don't think you meant those comments to be taken literally anyway).

I do agree that the administration hasn't done a great job of managing perceptions of this war. We're winning the military war, but the real war is the war of information and public perceptions. That war isn't going real well, and the enemy seems to have seized the initiative and they're constantly on offense.

6 posted on 06/16/2005 7:31:14 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: faithincowboys

Patience, my friend. Read the milblogs when you get discouraged. A sea-change has already happened in Iraq. In northern Iraq, our boys don't even go around with body armor.


7 posted on 06/16/2005 7:31:20 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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Although I don't necessarily agree with everything you say, you certainly are scratching the surface of some of my frustrations with how we are prosecuting this war. We need more Patton's and less patten leather.
8 posted on 06/16/2005 7:32:00 PM PDT by Shortwave (Ted Kennedy’s rhetoric has killed more American soldiers than his car has killed women.)
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The conservatives are disgruntled, and if they are still digruntled come November, 2005 the RINOS will probably lose both houses.

The Republicans don't have a clue on how to use their newly mandated leadership posts and will be in for a rude awakening come January, 2006.

And they will have nobody to blame except themselves.


10 posted on 06/16/2005 7:32:28 PM PDT by wrathof59 ("to the Everlasting Glory of the Infantry".........Robert A Heinlein)
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To: faithincowboys

Your letting the leftist Koolaid fumes emitted by the media get to you. Step back and take some clean deep breaths.


12 posted on 06/16/2005 7:33:02 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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RELAX.

17 posted on 06/16/2005 7:37:38 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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To: faithincowboys

excuse the vulgarity everyone please...


what the f*ck are you talking about? American boys (and girls) are bleeding for your stupid ASS to say stupid things. Who are you trying to be? Dick Durbin?

YOu have no idea. Stick to what you know (which from what I can tell, isnt very much). Crawl back under your G-damned rock.


19 posted on 06/16/2005 7:38:18 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (10,000 posts by 29 June!!! 9,989 replies and counting........who will be #10,000?)
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To: faithincowboys

I agree with you. As a Vietnam vet, I saw America abandon us in the field. I was in the TET Offensive, lost 3 tanks, 4 APC's and had 7 men left after 4 ambushes but we secured our objective after 15 hrs of slugging it out with the VC. My guys never gave up!! I don't say this for myself but I say this because I know what the enemy can do if he feels he's winning the "hearts and minds" through those who oppose our efforts. General Giap said as much when interviewed after the war.
It is frustrating to hear assholes like Durbin but he's not worth the price we'll pay for giving up. WE, you and I, need to do our part. I will NEVER give up. How can I?
And yes, I have a son in uniform. I will not do to him what America did to us in Nam. I'll march into Durbin's office before I take a step back.
God Bless America and all the brave men and women who defend her.


21 posted on 06/16/2005 7:39:00 PM PDT by caisson71
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"There is no mass movement to defend the honor of the American military"

The country's demographics is changing and changing for the worse.

In another ten years expect the then President to have much less of a consensus by the American people. All this thanks to our current immigration laws and policies where once 90% of all immigration was European, but as of 2000 90% of all immigration is non-European.

In another twenty years we'll be lucky to have morphed into another banana third world republic somewhere between a Brazil and a Haiti. I say we'll be lucky because it could be worse - civil revolutions.


23 posted on 06/16/2005 7:39:59 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: faithincowboys
Well, lets take your points one by one:

"If Drudge is right that the Pentagon is planning to dump more abuse photos from Abu Ghraib, there is no use --we should just surrender."

A Federal Court is forcing the pentagon to turn these photos over to the ACLU. I am not clear why the pentagon is not appealing this, but that is where we are.

"If I had a loved one in harm's way, I'd tell them to desert."

Aren't you going a little overboard here? I can see suggesting they don't enlist if you feel this way, but desert?

"We can't win a war this way. Our media and governmanetal elites simply won't let us win this war."

I actually agree. This is no way to win a war. Our media and government are what they are. Americans deserve the government they have. At this moment we are not a nation which takes the war on terror, and all that involves, seriously. Bush miscalculated what taking and holding Iraq would involve, and he also badly overestimated the staying power of the American people.

"Bush is too weak and the Republicans in Congress are intimidated by the big Beltway Media. The grunt and the Average patriotic American doesn't have anybody fighting for them."

I largely agree here as well. Bush and the GOP simply do not defend our policies and take the fight to the Democrats. While our troops are waging war in Iraq, Bush and the Republican party should be doing the same against our enemies at home.

"There is no mass movement to defend the honor of the American military"

You are correct, if anything the left has more energy at the moment. I believe the public would side with Bush and the Republicans, but our side seems to have no stomach for the fight - or, perhaps no understanding that they'd have to.

"....and there is no internal movement within the Pentagon or this Administration to say 'Enough, we ain't giving the Rats in the media anymore sh*t to weaken us and boost the our enemies.' We got a post-modern, post-nam Military brass-- not a pair of balls on any of them. There simply is no push back. The Schumers, the Durbins, the Moores and the MSM are more committed than the Right is."

The military brass will do what they are directed to do. Don't blame them for the fact that Bush and his administration failed utterly to plan for terrorism on a mass scale in Iraq.

Your right, there is no push back from Bush and the Republican party. A slap on the wrist from McClellen isn't what I'd call fighting back.

"I understand why recruitment is down-- the damn Generals don't defend the grunts. They keep giving more and more ammo to the Islamisofascists and the Enemies within."

I don't blame the generals, I blame the civilian leadership. I agree though, in my view we are in danger of defeat in Iraq and the media is constantly portraying our efforts as bungled failure. I understand why recruitment is suffering.

"Tell me where I'm wrong."

On many points your not wrong. A little hysterical, but not entirely wrong. I am often accused of being gloomy, negative and pessimistic - but I call em' as I see em'. I said from the beginning that trying to build Islamic democracy in Iraq was probably a fools errand - especially considering the weakness of the American people, the failure of our leadership to recognize what were really up against, and the state of our own media. We have not been prepared to do what has to be done to hold and control territory, and I do not see that changing.

Longbow

45 posted on 06/16/2005 7:56:49 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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No One is Going Home Until the Job Is Done. Keep This in Mind.....


59 posted on 06/16/2005 8:29:20 PM PDT by austinmark (If GOD Had Been A Liberal, We Wouldn't Have Had The Ten Commandments- We'd Have The Ten Suggestions.)
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Save a horse...... ride a cowgirl

Don't fret the small stuff that you have no control over......

64 posted on 06/16/2005 8:41:40 PM PDT by deport (Save a horse...... ride a cowgirl)
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If Drudge is right that the Pentagon is planning to dump more abuse photos from Abu Ghraib, there is no use --we should just surrender.

Ummmm .. you do realize they were ORDERED by the Courts to release them .. don't ya?

Do yourself a favor and loosen up the tin foil .. it's wrapped to tight

65 posted on 06/16/2005 8:41:41 PM PDT by Mo1
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Tell me where I'm wrong.

Everywhere?

Nothing but garbage here......

66 posted on 06/16/2005 8:42:00 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: faithincowboys; Howlin; Darksheare; txradioguy; WakeUpAndVote; MeekOneGOP; Mrs.Nooseman; ...

What the HELL are you talking about?? Thanks for posting this bullcrap where the men and women protecting your freedom and mince can see it. Pile on with the MSM why don't ya?? Good freakin' grief!! Say it a few more times and you'll have our fighting men and women thinking everyone believes this drivel! Why don't you add a few troop movement details in here for good measure? Sheesh!! What a moronic post.


86 posted on 06/16/2005 9:17:36 PM PDT by StarCMC (My birthday was yesterday ~ can I still have a smooch?)
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"If I had a loved one in harm's way, I'd tell them to desert."

Got a loved one who was in harm's way. May be going back in harm's way. But I think he'd loved to find you and have a loving talk with you about why Marines and American forces DON'T desert.


103 posted on 06/16/2005 9:42:42 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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