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To: faithincowboys
Well, lets take your points one by one:

"If Drudge is right that the Pentagon is planning to dump more abuse photos from Abu Ghraib, there is no use --we should just surrender."

A Federal Court is forcing the pentagon to turn these photos over to the ACLU. I am not clear why the pentagon is not appealing this, but that is where we are.

"If I had a loved one in harm's way, I'd tell them to desert."

Aren't you going a little overboard here? I can see suggesting they don't enlist if you feel this way, but desert?

"We can't win a war this way. Our media and governmanetal elites simply won't let us win this war."

I actually agree. This is no way to win a war. Our media and government are what they are. Americans deserve the government they have. At this moment we are not a nation which takes the war on terror, and all that involves, seriously. Bush miscalculated what taking and holding Iraq would involve, and he also badly overestimated the staying power of the American people.

"Bush is too weak and the Republicans in Congress are intimidated by the big Beltway Media. The grunt and the Average patriotic American doesn't have anybody fighting for them."

I largely agree here as well. Bush and the GOP simply do not defend our policies and take the fight to the Democrats. While our troops are waging war in Iraq, Bush and the Republican party should be doing the same against our enemies at home.

"There is no mass movement to defend the honor of the American military"

You are correct, if anything the left has more energy at the moment. I believe the public would side with Bush and the Republicans, but our side seems to have no stomach for the fight - or, perhaps no understanding that they'd have to.

"....and there is no internal movement within the Pentagon or this Administration to say 'Enough, we ain't giving the Rats in the media anymore sh*t to weaken us and boost the our enemies.' We got a post-modern, post-nam Military brass-- not a pair of balls on any of them. There simply is no push back. The Schumers, the Durbins, the Moores and the MSM are more committed than the Right is."

The military brass will do what they are directed to do. Don't blame them for the fact that Bush and his administration failed utterly to plan for terrorism on a mass scale in Iraq.

Your right, there is no push back from Bush and the Republican party. A slap on the wrist from McClellen isn't what I'd call fighting back.

"I understand why recruitment is down-- the damn Generals don't defend the grunts. They keep giving more and more ammo to the Islamisofascists and the Enemies within."

I don't blame the generals, I blame the civilian leadership. I agree though, in my view we are in danger of defeat in Iraq and the media is constantly portraying our efforts as bungled failure. I understand why recruitment is suffering.

"Tell me where I'm wrong."

On many points your not wrong. A little hysterical, but not entirely wrong. I am often accused of being gloomy, negative and pessimistic - but I call em' as I see em'. I said from the beginning that trying to build Islamic democracy in Iraq was probably a fools errand - especially considering the weakness of the American people, the failure of our leadership to recognize what were really up against, and the state of our own media. We have not been prepared to do what has to be done to hold and control territory, and I do not see that changing.

Longbow

45 posted on 06/16/2005 7:56:49 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
trying to build Islamic democracy in Iraq was probably a fools errand

Trying to build a free Christian republic from former British, Dutch, French and Spanish colonies in the New World's northern continent was probably a fool's errand.

There are no fools quite as glorious as American fools.

God loves fools.

500 posted on 06/24/2005 9:14:15 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spans)
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