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What can you say to a judge?
June 3, 2005 | self / vanity

Posted on 06/02/2005 10:41:51 PM PDT by The Other Harry

I have recently got myself in a fair amount of trouble for a DUI. There is no question that I am guilty of the basic offense. I am willing to pay the fines and do the time. That all seems the way it should be.

What I would like to do, however, is to go into court (the next time), and express my sentiments to the judge.

These would not be real polite. I cannot repeat them here. Think of the worst things you could say to someone and you will be close.

My question is: How much more trouble can doing that get me into?

As of now, I figure I am messed-up either way. So, I would like to express my thoughts. They won't likely be anything he has heard in his court before.


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To: The Other Harry
Don't do it. You will not be the first person to do this...trust me on that.

It will not have the desired effect you are hoping for...trust me it has been done before.

Go to court, stand up and be respectful. Pay the fine, accept the courts ruling.

Leave the couthouse, go to a very private place and scream your bloody head off in frustration. Get it out of your system. Chalk this one up to that hard task-master named 'experience.'

Then go home, get blasted and go to bed.

This is the best thing...trust me on this one.

21 posted on 06/02/2005 11:38:59 PM PDT by Khurkris (Remember the Troops. NRA.)
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To: Khurkris
Then go home, get blasted and go to bed.

Yeah, he doesn't drink enough as it is...
22 posted on 06/02/2005 11:44:21 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day

Fun with Keywords


23 posted on 06/02/2005 11:45:23 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: The Other Harry
You ARE kidding.....

Right?


24 posted on 06/03/2005 12:08:30 AM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it. Marcus Aurelius)
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To: ConservativeMind
" Yeah, he doesn't drink enough as it is..."

I honestly can't answer that question and I doubt if you can either. One DUI doesn't give proof to his having a problem with alcohol.
It indicates that in this instance he made a stupid decision influenced by alcohol. In my checkered past, I've BTDT, and I've learned from it.
I mentioned the lessons learned from experience, thats the only thing that will make a difference.

If he does have a drinking problem, maybe this will help him. If he doesn't, maybe he will learn what not to do in the future.

Its his call, not mine and not yours.

Lets just wish him luck.

25 posted on 06/03/2005 12:28:15 AM PDT by Khurkris (Remember the Troops. NRA.)
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To: The Other Harry
I recently got to spend 5 days in jail for something like that. (Expired stickers was my presenting offense. A .22 was what got me locked up.)

I also paid $451 in fines and somehow got thoroughly beat-up in the process. My memory of the few days surrounding that is not real clear. I had hallucinations.

That was about a month ago, and my ribs are only now healing.

And "they" aren't done with me.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1414816/posts?page=25#25

If the DUI, the expired stickers, and the gun offense are all one and the same, you had better start reforming ASAP, Harry.

I'm against any violence not prescribed by a judge ("canings," for example, would be fine by me) in jail, so I feel for your additional punishment to date if you didn't do something from which they were defending themselves. But you are in no position to give your judge a piece of your mind.

Please sincerely apologize and be repentant. You may spend less time in a place you'd rather not be.
26 posted on 06/03/2005 12:29:48 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: The Other Harry
What I would like to do, however, is to go into court (the next time), and express my sentiments to the judge. These would not be real polite. I cannot repeat them here. Think of the worst things you could say to someone and you will be close.

The judge is not the villain here. He's doing his job -- and remarkably well, to piss you off so much.

27 posted on 06/03/2005 12:32:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: The Other Harry
My memory of the few days surrounding that is not real clear. I had hallucinations.

You may be an addict or an alcoholic.

Try NA or AA. It will save your life.

28 posted on 06/03/2005 12:37:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: ConservativeMind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1414816/posts?page=25#25


29 posted on 06/03/2005 12:46:07 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

I wonder if the .22 was a reference to blood alcohol concentration and not a balistic caliber?


30 posted on 06/03/2005 12:58:32 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Treader
Get drunk before your court appearance, so you will have the upper hand on the judge. Best way ta go...dude

I had a friend to that once. It didn't work out well.

31 posted on 06/03/2005 1:06:35 AM PDT by bad company ("A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice.")
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To: Treader
Get drunk before your court appearance, so you will have the upper hand on the judge. Best way ta go...dude

True story. I was still working for a Michigan police agency up until a year and a half ago. Backed up an officer from tiny little Sylvan Lake on a car versus ambulance accident (which was convenient, I suppose, except that the ambulance was already on an emergency run). Seems the car driver wanted to make a left turn from the right lane and was in a bit of a hurry to get whereever drunks need to get, and didn't care to allow the larger vehicle with all the flashing lights to clear the other lane first, and, well, the laws of physics then took over.

Anyway, in addition to exhibiting certain symptoms suggestive of having had a recent cocktail or two, such as smelling of having had a cocktail or three, and feeling a need to be vociferous and to exhale often to drive the point home, our driver presented a license that indicated a birth date that made her all of 79 years old, even though she looked not a day over 49, ravages of alcohol and all. Her math skills gave away the charade.

So, a week later, out on bond, she shows up at her pre-trail in an apparent state of renewed inebriation, which not even Binaca or Menthos could disguise. The judge, suspicious, ordered a breathalyzer, to which her still tardy defense attorney could not object. Result, something like a 0.20 BAC and another 30 days in jail for contempt before her rescheduled pre-trial.

32 posted on 06/03/2005 1:13:12 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

A fair point. Oddly, I hadn't even considered that.


33 posted on 06/03/2005 1:19:51 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

I guess it doesn't matter, either one can facilitate shooting off one's mouth. :-)


34 posted on 06/03/2005 1:31:23 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: bad company

lol...Well, it just seemed that way. The road to sober living is not prone to easy navigation. If ya ain't done yet, getting well done is the next road stop, right after the last lie you can stand to tell yourself. Thus my complimentary advice, to this thread author. Did your buddy get well done? Hope he lived through the torture of being drunk. Life is never as hard as drinking past it...


35 posted on 06/03/2005 1:32:30 AM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Larry Lucido

Yep, those dang drunks are vigilant about stayin' that way- no matter what, where or who is involved.


36 posted on 06/03/2005 1:38:19 AM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Treader

He was in and out of sobriety when I knew him. I lost track of him about 12 years ago. I don't even remember which side of the fence he was on the last time I saw him. Real pretty boy with many enablers. I hope he got alright, but I doubt it.


37 posted on 06/03/2005 1:56:31 AM PDT by bad company ("A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice.")
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To: The Other Harry

Harry, I don't know you and I don't know if you have a drinking problem or if this was a one-time thing. If you have a drinking problem, please get help. I watched my father-in-law die from cirrhosis and it was an ugly, painful way to go. At the end, he didn't know who his four sons were. He knew that he was going to die and he still wouldn't stop drinking. The bottle mattered more to him than his children and grandchildren or his own life.


38 posted on 06/03/2005 4:32:20 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife (A round of ruby red Sharpies for everyone, barkeep.)
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To: Dr.Hilarious

Dont you think youre in enough trouble?
You were in the wrong, suck it up and learn.


39 posted on 06/03/2005 5:06:26 AM PDT by motormouth
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To: Dr.Hilarious

Sorry doc, that wasnt meant for you ;o)


40 posted on 06/03/2005 5:15:29 AM PDT by motormouth
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