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Well Endowed Fish Get the Girls
LiveScience.com ^ | 11 May 2005 | Robert Roy Britt

Posted on 05/11/2005 12:25:06 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan

You might think it's grand to be a well endowed fish. After all, some female fish prefer mates with larger sex organs, a new study finds.

But the guys' prowess has a price.

The studs with larger gonopodia, which is what scientists call male fish sex organs, can't swim as fast as their less impressive counterparts, so they're more likely to get eaten by predators.

Bigger is better

The study was done on mosquitofish, which are like guppies. They're only about an inch long. That's body length. For the appendage, we're talking millimeters. Nonetheless, biologist Brian Langerhans of Washington University in St. Louis managed to put a tape on 350 male mosquitofish. Langerhans took pictures of the gonopodia to measure their outlines.

"The organ is quite obvious, even on such small fish," he told LiveScience.

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Data in hand, Langerhans exposed about 50 females, one at a time, to video images of a male of average proportions at one end of an aquarium and an outsized male at the other end.

"They chose the larger one over and over," Langerhans said. "All females had the same preference."

Mosquitofish bear their young live, bypassing the whole egg-in-the-gravel hassle. Among such livebearing fish species, gonopodia range from less than 20 percent of a fish's body length to more than 70 percent. Don't ponder that too long, but trust that it fits into an evolutionary puzzle that spawned this study.

But first, what exactly is a gonopodium?

"In the sense that gonopodia are sperm-transfer organs, they are analogous to a mammal penis," Langerhans explained. "They evolved independently, but they serve the same copulatory function. The gonopodium must be inserted into the female gonopore, and then eject the sperm into the female body, in order to achieve insemination."

Size disadvantage

The study involved mosquitofish from two places, one where there were predators and one without.

"A male with a larger gonopodium has a higher chance of mating, but in a predator environment he has a higher probability of dying," Langerhans said.

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So, for the sake of argument, let's say there are no predators around. What does evolution do?

"We found that in predator-free environments gonopodia size was larger, as there is minimal cost for large genitalia in that environment," Langerhans said. For the record, the sex organs of the predator-free guppies were 15 percent longer, on average.

The results are detailed this week in the online issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Why size matters

There's a larger point to this research. Male genitalia, scientists tell us, come in many shapes and sizes, with more variety than most body parts. These differences are sometimes the best way to distinguish one species from another.

For years, experts have figured that this remarkable diversity in genitalia had to do with sperm competition or some other after-the-act effect. The new study shows that female fish, like women, make some decisions beforehand -- conscious or not -- about the physical dimensions of the fathers of their children.

"Overwhelmingly that choice is made with size being the prize," Langerhans and his colleague report on the little guppies.

So perhaps, the logic goes, differences in male genital shape between populations lead to "reproductive incompatibility," which means two groups would split and become separate species. Langerhans is now looking into this possibility in other creatures.

He also plans to investigate whether a preference for large gonopodia caused male swordtail fish to develop their long, showy tails, which serve about as much everyday purpose as large biceps on an insurance salesman.

"Male ornamentation of the tail fin may have evolved largely due to the pre-existing preference for an elongate structure of a similar shape -- the gonopodium," Langerhans said.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: gonopodia
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To: shotokan

Wow check out the gonopodia on that fish


41 posted on 05/11/2005 1:04:24 PM PDT by woofie (I am so not kidding.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Well endowed fish trolling for people! LOL Not, trolling! As in trolling Dummies on the board.


42 posted on 05/11/2005 1:08:19 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I'm a minnow, my wife is a large mouthed bass. go figure.


43 posted on 05/11/2005 1:10:08 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: shotokan

That's not a bathing suit; that's a few bandaids and some pieces of string.


44 posted on 05/11/2005 1:11:01 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retosexual Wife of 12 Years)
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To: Xenalyte

Do you have a Salacious Fish list?


45 posted on 05/11/2005 1:12:21 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Izzy Dunne

"This study seems quite heteronormative, doesn't it?"

Phallocentric, too. But what about the lesbian fish?


46 posted on 05/11/2005 1:12:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: dread78645

Thanks for the ping. But I've learned that threads about fish (or birds) usually aren't all that big with the list. Dinosaurs and mammals are usually popular.


47 posted on 05/11/2005 1:14:00 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
But what about the lesbian fish?

Yeah, I guess they TWICE get ... uhhh... the short end of the stick.

48 posted on 05/11/2005 1:16:28 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: shotokan
That's one of those optical illusion pictures, right?

If you stare at it for 3 minutes or so, you think you see fish.

49 posted on 05/11/2005 1:18:22 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: TheWriterTX
That's not a bathing suit; that's a few bandaids and some pieces of string.

I think it looks like it was scribbled on with a Sharpie. (Hmmm, thats a different edited version of the one I meant to post. My bad.)

50 posted on 05/11/2005 1:21:49 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (If you don't want to read about it in tomorrow's paper, don't do it.)
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To: Mark in the Old South; Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Well it would be the best night of her life, but since we're both married, I think it would be both of our last.


51 posted on 05/11/2005 1:22:16 PM PDT by pissant (Dead Terrorists are a good thing)
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To: Izzy Dunne

"Yeah, I guess they TWICE get ... uhhh... the short end of the stick."

Nahhh... they're hardwired in the womb to prefer very, very prominent gonopores. Lesbian minnows without gonopodia are like humans without a dorsal fin. Gonopodia, pfffttt. Who needs 'em? LOL.


52 posted on 05/11/2005 1:24:26 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: RegulatorCountry
What I meant was that lesbian fish are COMPLETELY disregarded in this study. It's all about that heteronormative thing. Gay male fish at least could relate to the gonopodia, but what to the lesbian fish get?

Nada.

53 posted on 05/11/2005 1:28:16 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: pissant

Maybe it would have been the best night of YOUR life. I agree, you wife and my husband would indeed make it our last night.


54 posted on 05/11/2005 1:29:10 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

You're that good, huh? But I think I'll settle for letting you buy me a brewski. To be on the safe side.


55 posted on 05/11/2005 1:33:03 PM PDT by pissant (Dead Terrorists are a good thing)
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To: pissant
I don't want to brag...

A beer is safe. i think we can get away with that without the threat of death.

56 posted on 05/11/2005 1:42:23 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

It's a deal!


57 posted on 05/11/2005 1:43:18 PM PDT by pissant (Dead Terrorists are a good thing)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; pissant
You two crack me up !!!

Ahhhhh.... the safety of distance !!!!

58 posted on 05/11/2005 1:43:39 PM PDT by dfwddr (Roy G. Biv is a colorful guy..........)
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To: dfwddr; pissant
"Ahhhhh.... the safety of distance !!!!"

Ahhhh.... the fear of a big, crazy, long-haired, tattooed, husband. (LOL)

59 posted on 05/11/2005 1:46:14 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

"What I meant was that lesbian fish are COMPLETELY disregarded in this study"

Lesbian minnow sexuality is a far more complex phemomena, requiring further study in order to fully understand the full spectrum of sexual personae extant amongst these fascinating indigenous denziens of the deep. Anecdotal evidence would tend to suggest that lesbian minnows have begun to induce their anal fins to grow to gonopodial dimensions, in order to serve as a prosthesis.


60 posted on 05/11/2005 1:52:49 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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