Posted on 04/20/2005 9:22:15 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
Thanks for the kind words.
I'm conducting all responses now by freepmails because part of the cabal of Class of '04s and venom spewers that prompted my decision to leave have showed up over here now. I fully expected they would sooner or later. There are some real stalker cases on FR and somehow i've managed to cross paths with 2 or 3 of the worst - LOL!
One of the ones that's trolling here was involved in one of the altercations I was referencing from earlier this year that got just plain downright nasty...as in the guy thought he could settle a score by posting my place of employment by name and several overt hints about my home address on FR. It's a true sign that something is wrong with the forum when the other guy's means of responding to your arguments is digging around for private info and plastering it on the forum...and then he gets away with it at that!
Anyway, would you happen to know the name of that other forum you saw?
I just asked JR to remove my account at owner's request so I won't be able to answer anything else from it. Best regards!
That's all.
"He is gone Jim..." PING
"-dredge up the Shiavo debate again"
Actually, the Schiavo debate is the root of much discord here. One group was trying to save a human life. That can get pretty emotional, you know?
Now that Schiavo is permanently resolved, things will settle down. But you bet it had a transforming affect here. How could it not?
I like debate. I like counterpoints, even if some opinions really get on my nerves. But yes, that's not for everyone. Blog debate tends to be more rough than here, though. So get ready for things to get a lot worse if you debate on blogs.
"Adolph Hitler was called a Nazi less times that some of us were during that time, and all because we did not stick exactly to the party line as espoused by some on here."
The Pope will have a healing affect upon the the free world, because he was a reluctant Nazi, as many Nazis were. Rommel was another. The Nazi party for the most part was tricked by Hitler and his top goons. That was the point we were trying to make, in a round-about way. And the Pope is now Exhibit A. He was sucked into the Hitler Youth against his will, and as best I can tell from scattered browsings, he went AWOL on them at risk to his life.
From the historic perspective, Hitler's ovens killed far fewer than our Baby Killing Courts, who exposed themselves hideously in the Schiavo murder, with nutbar Felos being of particular interest. Colleges have been used to trick and manipulate the judicial branch. And the professors themselves were manipulated by sexual degenerates and hedonists, who were supported by marxists, leninists, and perhaps even hired KGB operatives. And I believe there is another layer of manipulation above that layer-- Satan, himself.
The number of truly evil people in this world who have national control ambitions, the true kingpins-- that number is like the ashes left from a cremated body, small and scattered.
Maybe what you don't get when the historic perspective of Nazi Germany, as Savage pointed out last night, for every Jew who was killed in the ovens, an average of 1.6 non-Jews were baked as well. Why? Germans didn't like what they were seeing. They may have been fooled for a time, but like Savage says, there was a huge resistance in Germany.
And now the healing moment of the Pope I mentioned above. The Pope is putting a human face on Hitler's Youth, and the Nazi Party itself. They just wanted normal lives. Unlike the Pope, seeing his humanity in this case, isn't it easier to imagine other members who may have joined because of flashy uniforms? Others who joined after being indoctrinated by Nazi teachers? Others who joined after enjoying a good Nazi movie? [Obviously, the Pope, who's fater was very anti-nazi, was not such an air-head.]
So when a right-wing amateur historian points out the parallels between modern America and Nazi Germany, please don't take it personally. In most cases, it's a valid point.
That was plain wrong! I can understand why you want to leave in that case.
FReegards...
I am saying that the exact point when Greer committed himself to murder was when he refused anything by natural means, obviously not "artificial."
The higher courts were more concerned with the "balance" of power" than with true review. They were complicit.
Greer and Michael went past the point of ethically correct treatment of Terri when Michael refused to allow anything by mouth. It was unethical to subject Terri to the medical procedure of the removal of the feeding tube, rather than simply to stop using it. The indisputably unethical point was the enforced denial of natural means of sustaining life.
< grin >
[Opus] GopCap, we hardly knew ya. [*sniff*]
Sorry to see you go. Hope to see you around. Enjoyed your comments.
Please don't take my sunshine away.
You can say goodbye but you will always lurk here. After awhile somebody will post something and you will break your vow of silence and fire up your keyboard. You will be welcomed back. Have a good day, and do not kill your posting name. We want to know it is you when your are back. :)
Besides, no one would care if I left anyway.
Unless yo have a better place to go don't quit, make them fire you! ;)
I gave up on FR a few years ago. For debate I post at another site because I cannot get enough opposing viewpoints here to actually debate.
I am an old timer. My first account goes back to 97ish, when it first started. I was actually at the Whitewater forum on prodigy with all the original freepers in the mid 90's when we decided to leave Prodigy and start FR.
In those days FR was a debate forum. We trounced commies and liberals daily. It was fun, and it was an opportunity to show the superiority of conservative idealogy over leftist ideas.
Today FR is just a hang-out. I like it for the news articles.
There is a need for a truly conservative news/debate forum where the conservatives are not afraid to debate commies and demonstrate with facts and analysis the superiority of their ideas.
FR makes conservatism look weak, but so be it. It's their choice.
I see no need to cancel my account. I still occasionally post articles of itnerest to FR. I am not hostile to FR, quite the reverse.
You will not be bitter if you simply allow yourself to realign your reasons for being on FR.
Let us know if you find another moderated, respectful forum that supports free wheeling debate.
It can be deceptive. People who aren't familiar with the circumstances don't know that gopc used a lot of the tactics he's crying about now on other people. Thus he gets condolences from people who are writing about their own experiences, not his. He was quite savage when he wanted to be and if there has been a decline in standards during the time gopc was posting, he's as responsible for it as anyone else.
I'd recommend people google some of his Civil War posts to see his tactics at work. His old posts won't be pleasant reading but do provide the context in which to understand his parting shot, which certainly doesn't avoid what you call whining. He did his bit to make FR more contentious and bitter and simply objects to what he started coming back around against him.
If you do a little digging you can come to your own conclusion, but gopc was very much a disciple of Thomas DiLorenzo and his belief that tariffs were more central to the cause of the Civil War than slavery, and he was quite vitriolic and vindictive in pursuing his obsession, conceding nothing to those who disagreed with him. Love of the Confederacy and hatred of the tyrant Lincoln were something approaching a religion for him.
It's not so much what gopc said, as how he said it. He was convinced that his enemies were scoundrels and he was breaking the back of their argument with his latest personal attack, bit of jargon, condescending remark, or factoid plucked out of context. A little of that sort of triumphant nitpicking and name calling goes a long way.
Gopc's style of argument was counterproductive and did a lot to convince me and others of just how wrong-headed DiLorenzo was. After enough time passes one can look back fondly on a lot of people and things that one disliked at the time, but right now I don't regret his leaving.
I don't think he'll leave us much time for that. By leaving on his own, rather than get banned, he has the option to come back, and sooner or later he probably will in one guise or another, and with all his dogged persecutorial zeal, perhaps in response to this very post.
In general, whenever somebody offers a "they" have taken over and are pushing "us" out screed, it's a good idea to look up the facts of the matter, and not simple to take the accusations at face value. Specific issues or specialized disputes get turned into great ideological battles in such opuses, and people who did more than their share of abusive infighting may pose as martyrs in their swan songs.
SHE COULDN'T SWALLOW! Geez Louise, give it a f&*^ing break already.
She FAILED the swallow tests given to her in 1991, 1992, and 1993. She was diagnosed with dysphagia -- an inability to swallow.
Fluids or food given orally could end up in the lungs, causing aspiration pneumonia.
Face the facts already. I'm getting tired of your repetitive nonsense.
Can't we all just get along? :)
I'm a family physician, who has worked with hospice. My advanced directive says no tubes or IV's - but last month I noted that I would like oral "sips and chips" - ice chips and sips of liquids - maybe a little chocolate on my lips (that's really what I wrote). It had never occured to me that anyone would forbid oral hydration at the end of life, any more than that they would forbid air to an extubated patient.
The "failure" on swallowing tests is relative. (Especially in light of normal swallowing of saliva.) Aspiration pneumonia compared to dehydration - I know which I'd rather die of.
Why so much emotion? This is a website noted for debate, often noted for disagreement. I don't understand why disagreement in a civil tone is so disagreeable to you.
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