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Poohbah's Opus
Vanity of vanities, all is vanity, sayeth Qohotoleth... | 01 April 2005 | Poohbah

Posted on 04/01/2005 4:26:00 PM PST by Poohbah

First, this is NOT an April Fool's joke.

I am leaving Free Republic.

Over the past two years, civility and thoughtful discourse has vanished from this site, replaced with demands for ideological conformity that are straight out of Stalinist Russia or China's Great Cultural Revolution, and unrelenting uncivility if said conformance is not forthcoming. This trend began with the California recall election, where certain posters were allowed to flame the living beejezus out of those who didn't wholeheartedly support Tom McClintock, or thought that he wasn't running a campaign capable of winning. It extended into the Keyes campaign last year, where any critique of Keyes' campaign strategy was shrilly flamed, despite the obviously flawed execution of his campaign.

(Aside: one person who flamed me during the Keyes mess later said that he hadn't intended to start a fight with his remarks that accused me of homosexuality, pedophilia, and other evils; I was instantly reminded of the time I had to bail one of my Marines out of the local lockup. "Honest, Sarge," this Marine told me, "I didn't mean to start a fight when I called that Army Ranger a faggot." My response was not [and still isn't] suitable for public consumption.)

Since then, the Terri Schiavo case has pushed FR over the edge. We had posts calling for people to ensure that "accidents" to befall Schiavo and Judge Greer. We had posts praying that Iran would soon develop nuclear weapons, so that they could destroy the United States. And until the FBI started making arrests, those posts were allowed to stay up, completely abnegating Free Republic's standards.

We had people on both sides of the issue point out that the Schindlers were associating with some people of extremely low character, and that our uncritical embrace of these parties would not rebound to our favor. Rather reasonable attitudes to take, actually; but the loudest of the loud were in no mood to think.

My personal favorite was the following exchange:


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To: Old Professer
Is being a christian identity sympathizer, a white supremicist, a neo-nazi, a racist or an anti-semite illegal activities in themselves?

The issue is not legality, but public opinion. Which will not be helped in this case if the pro-Terry side becomes associated in the media with Christian Identity, white supremicists, neo-nazis, racists and/or anti-semites.

212 posted on 03/17/2005 11:05:13 AM PST by malakhi
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To: malakhi
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Terri's fight being associated with Christianity. That is unless someone is a radical leftist.
229 posted on 03/17/2005 12:02:29 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross
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Diva Betsy Ross made a valiant attempt to...ahem...whitewash Christian Identity, but it didn't work.

To top things off, we had people embracing as some sort of conservative icon, to the extent of posting a fundraising link.

I always thought that conservatism valued thinking over feeling, careful contemplation of facts over wild-eyed repetition of every damn rumor to come down the pipe, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. For a while, Free Republic met those criteria in spades.

Those days are long gone, and I have serious doubt as to whether or not they're coming back.

I know that many of the usual suspects will cheer this on, as their longtime nemesis is leaving them the field.

Be careful what you wish for; you are in the process of getting it. You may succeed in driving the folks who disagree with you from the site; but you will end up being just another collection of shrill voices in Bedlam. When everything is an over-the-top scream, no one will be heard.

Farewell.


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To: 68 grunt
That's ok I question your judgment.
1,681 posted on 04/02/2005 10:36:50 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Allosaurs_r_us
Why is it so difficult for some to just move away from an argument that has gone down the tubes and cannot be won or lost?

Ever been on one of the drug war threads? Novus Ordo vs. Latin Mass threads? Calvinism vs. free will? Immigration threads (that which spawned a thousand polls, I never participated in any of those threads because I wasn't interested, and the anti-Terris could have done the same)? Any thread having to do with anything having to do with the Confederacy? Bush-supporters no matter what vs. Keyes/Buchanan/McCain supporters, etc.? Or, heaven forbid..a creation/evolution behemoth thread?

People disagree, and sometimes uncivilly, and sometimes they're not open to what others have to say. That doesn't make them evil because they happen to be on the other side of a particular matter.

1,682 posted on 04/02/2005 10:39:05 AM PST by DameAutour
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To: brooklin
Wow! since '98. I'm surprised that nobody has called you a troll.

Actually, I have, since DAY ONE.

1,683 posted on 04/02/2005 10:41:17 AM PST by Paul Ross (We have sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Poohbah
Dude, you've lost all perspective. Christian Identity is breaking out on FR? Keyes' campaign was respected and his detractors freely flamed? None of these things were noticeable themes in the FR on my planet. Geez, the open laughter and derision was sufficiently intense that I even began to feel a bit sorry for Keyes groupies.
1,684 posted on 04/02/2005 10:43:29 AM PST by Stultis
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To: 68 grunt; sinkspur

Dear 68 grunt,

"I disagree! Sinkspur has been around a long time and he and I are often on opposite sides in opinion. His debate is civil and attempts to employ calm rationale."

Well, sinkspur is actually my friend, and we're often on the SAME sides of issues. Not always, but often. Likely well more than half of the time.

And as much as we disagree on somethings, I will always count him my friend.

However, you praise him in absence of the thing for which you claim him worthy.

Here is a bit of sinkspur on this thread:

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You're part of the problem, dirtbag.

You and your knuckle-dragging cohorts are not going to dominate this forum.

Nobody supported starving anybody; it's just that you, and others with shoe-sized IQs, have such a limited mental capacity to make distinctions and to support the rule of law, that you had to characterize those who didn't roll in the dirt as "murderers."

Relish your sanctimony. It's all you've got.


388 posted on 04/01/2005 8:34:23 PM EST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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That seems a bit past "civil," and employs absolutely no "calm rationale."

It's certainly not the worst post on the thread, but it's pretty far from "civil," "calm," or engendering any sort of intelligent discussion. It's just the hurling of insults.

In fact, you call your poster shrill, yet many of sinkspur's posts ON THIS VERY THREAD, including the one cited above, are quite shrill.


sitetest


1,685 posted on 04/02/2005 10:45:31 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: FBD
That is so cool of you to post! My son and I went to a Gem show today and we bought some rock candy- I started humming this tune for him.... and he asked me to tell him all the words. I told him I would look it up when I got home. AND there it is!!! Cool!

BTW- you are right about taking this place and the internet, and what people post too seriously. Of course anyone who really gets off on attacking anonymous people over the internet has some serious issues. I learned that from a bud once.

1,686 posted on 04/02/2005 10:46:54 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Damn I missed that... distorting Jim's words to attack even him. I'm used to my own words being distorted like that, but this is beyond the pale.


1,687 posted on 04/02/2005 10:48:09 AM PST by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: Stultis
What the hell is going on with all these people leaving. Sounds like the kid who loses at babeball and runs home with the bat and ball b/c they're his. Let's change the name of this site to FaiRies.

Jeesh

1,688 posted on 04/02/2005 10:48:53 AM PST by petercooper ("I hate the Republicans, and everything they stand for." - New DNC Chairman, Howard Dean - Jan '05)
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To: petercooper

baseball...

hmmmm- what's babeball


1,689 posted on 04/02/2005 10:49:49 AM PST by petercooper ("I hate the Republicans, and everything they stand for." - New DNC Chairman, Howard Dean - Jan '05)
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To: sitetest

Boy, is my face every red.


1,690 posted on 04/02/2005 10:49:53 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Poohbah
Stay and fight, for at least several reasons:

1. Some of us that have been here for a while are getting scarcer and lonely
2. FR needs to keep debates healthy ( although, there is the old saying about arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics...)
3. The paranoid part of me suspects this is what the powers that be ( Democrat or Republican, MSM ) would like to see happen--the death of a very vibrant political forum.

1,691 posted on 04/02/2005 10:51:54 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Coop
FR will only have the extremists posting soon. ROTFLMAO!!

DITTO!!

If this was anything other than an April Fools joke, I would be both surprised...and cheering.

It would be One Less abusive, wacko, do-nothing "extremist posting" who postures as an expert in defense, economics and foreign policy, when in fact he is horribly ignorant, and a lot of people who swallowed the bilge he dished out are going to have to think for themselves now...and maybe learn something, rather than rely on such a thin reed waving in the wind.

1,692 posted on 04/02/2005 10:52:20 AM PST by Paul Ross (We have sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: thoughtomator
Responding 2 to 1 now, huh, thoughto. Yes, I attack other FReepers, yes, too true. The ones who I feel are whackjobs or disruptors, yes, yes, thats true. You, I place in the latter category. You've outed yourself, thought0.
1,693 posted on 04/02/2005 10:54:14 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: petercooper

A game Mr. Gun likes to play with me from time-to-time.....


1,694 posted on 04/02/2005 10:55:51 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: 68 grunt

I rest my case. Enjoy your pedestal. To me, and the folks who have filled my mailbox with concurring FReepmails, it's you who have outed yourself as having a highly divergent agenda.


1,695 posted on 04/02/2005 10:56:01 AM PST by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: Poohbah
isnt this like the 2nd person to announce that they are going/leaving this week? I gotta admit, the "If you dont support our views on Terri Schiavo then your a secret liberal democrat" BS mantra ganging was almost about to make me give up on this site
1,696 posted on 04/02/2005 10:56:29 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: thoughtomator

Cool, you've got your own clique, how sweet.


1,697 posted on 04/02/2005 10:58:14 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
That is exactly my recollection as well. McClintock supporters were typically gang pummeled. If memory serves that tactic was rather effective.

That was my observation as well.

1,698 posted on 04/02/2005 10:59:20 AM PST by Paul Ross (We have sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Allosaurs_r_us
Hey Meek! Is that Chicken Little pic I saw on
another thread part of an animated GIF?

This pic?

I found that on a Google Search a long time ago.

It was just a JPG.


1,699 posted on 04/02/2005 11:00:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: 68 grunt

Nope, never encountered most of them, and haven't put together any sort of organization or label, and don't intend to. But feel free to continue to rack up the personal attacks, so when I am ready to present my case that you are the real disruptor here, I've got as big a pile of documentation as possible (not that it's not already more than sufficient).


1,700 posted on 04/02/2005 11:02:43 AM PST by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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