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Time to leave the GOP?
1stfreedom

Posted on 03/31/2005 7:39:11 AM PST by 1stFreedom

For over a decade I’ve tried to convince people in the pro-life movement that leaving the Republican Party wasn’t a good move. The past few days has changed my mind, and I started to write this article when the news broke that Terri died.

Florida has shown us that the best that the GOP has to offer is a losing strategy.

For decades abortion has remained “legal” due to the same problems which were present in Florida: an arrogant judiciary and an unwilling executive branch.

The call for Jeb to refuse to enforce the illicit orders of Judge Greer went unheeded. As a direct result, Jeb’s actions sanctioned the starvation of Terri Schiavo. His Pontius Pilate approach to saving her life hasn’t fooled the pro-life base.

His public denial that there wasn’t anything more he could do was a slap in the face to the pro-life movement and to Terri’s parents. It is well known that he indeed had these ORDINARY powers as the Governor of the State of Florida.

If this is the strategy the GOP has to reign in the Judiciary, then it’s time to find another party. It is simply not acceptable that someone could be starved to death in the United States of America with “legal” sanction.

But where does one go? Many of the alternative parties are too idealistic or too focused on history to reach a broad spectrum of people. And some of the names are quite silly….

In my mind, an ideal third party candidate would appeal to socially conservative Republicans, Regan democrats, and minorities. A coalition party can indeed win…

What are your thoughts?


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To: Constantine XIII

I lean more Libertarian than Republican but still vote GOP for 2 reasons:

1) Open borders at this time of war is not such a great idea.
2) Ron Paul is a Republican. You have to be in office to make a difference.


41 posted on 03/31/2005 7:44:26 AM PST by boofus
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To: KevinDavis
The GOP party is sick, real sick.

Unfortunately, remember what happened with Ross Perot's Reform Party. A lot of people dedicated themselves to that party, and after two elections, it fizzled out into an unimportant fringe group.

42 posted on 03/31/2005 7:44:27 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hope you have a flame-proof suit.

I have been a dedicated Pubbie for as long as I can remember (which goes back to about 7 years old on the campaign trail for my Grandfather). I have been totally and completely disgusted by most of the moves made by Pubbies in Congress today. I always thought Pubbies stood for smaller government, yet we have the most outrageous, bloated government in history today.

I thought Pubbies stood for gun rights, yet the anti-gunners are still winning out. With the Pubbies in control of all branches, you would think something would get done, but no, we continue the slide into nothingness. Part of me longs for the days of gridlock. At least then we know nothing major will happen (although the weak Pubbies we have in Congress now would most likely hand a win over to the Dems anyhow).

43 posted on 03/31/2005 7:44:27 AM PST by dware (Go then. There are other worlds than these.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yep. Third party challenge gave us Clinton #1. Another third party challenge will give us Clinton #2.


44 posted on 03/31/2005 7:44:41 AM PST by Rebelbase (Accused Culture of Death member.)
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To: 1stFreedom

See ya.


45 posted on 03/31/2005 7:44:42 AM PST by Constitution Day (Burger-Eating War Monkey)
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To: Piquaboy

I will tell you this, from now on, if I have a choice between some leftist and a Republican who does not have the grapes to stand up to minor judges in life and death situations, I will not vote. I will never vote for the left, but I'll be dammed if I ever vote for another Republican who will not stand for something besides his/her own career.


46 posted on 03/31/2005 7:44:46 AM PST by alarm rider
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To: 1stFreedom

This kind of post really depresses me: it's Teddy Kennedy's greatest dream.

We have to continue to push to reform (i.e., overhaul) the judicial system, it's quite obvious that it's broken. And we have the votes to get started.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but eventually it was built.


47 posted on 03/31/2005 7:44:52 AM PST by Deo et Patria (Deo et Patria)
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To: KevinDavis

I think we just jumped to the right..and added a bunch of folks..we were on the right side....we are on the right side....Heck..even Jessee Jackson knows it...Republicans will kick butt in the next elections


48 posted on 03/31/2005 7:44:57 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: thoughtomator

No, there is not a huge segment.

There are a few ... some of them nutcases.

Ross Perot tapped into that segment and it got us one Clinton.

You people tapping into it could get us another.

Good luck.


49 posted on 03/31/2005 7:45:04 AM PST by altura (tolerance is an overrated virtue.)
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To: 1stFreedom
one word LIBERTARIAN PARTYITs the only way the constitutional limits of goverment will ever be enforced.The dems and rebubs brag about ignoring the constitution on a daily basis.
50 posted on 03/31/2005 7:45:05 AM PST by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: Crazieman

Even though I'm a constitutionalist, I believe that a vote for a third party empowers the move toward constitutionalism.

Such parties should work as a group within another party.

After all, a third party gave us Clinton as president.


51 posted on 03/31/2005 7:45:18 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberals believe in their good; a good that is void of honesty and character)
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To: blakep

Constitution party (Michael Peroutka) is where it's at.



You mean you support someone giving custody of children over to the state?........


52 posted on 03/31/2005 7:45:22 AM PST by deport (You know you are getting older when everything either dries up or leaks.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

??Governor that actually took action on Terri's behalf

Up to a point, then he did the Pontius Pilate routine and washed his hands. He refused the request of the parent's to use his ordinary powers as governor to take her into custody.


53 posted on 03/31/2005 7:45:33 AM PST by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: 1stFreedom
Perhaps. The GOP is nothing more than the instrument through which "lifestyle" libertarians leverage the political clout of social conservatives. As we have seen over the past few weeks (even on this forum), "lifestyle" libertarians are as committed to the culture of death as the progressive left.
54 posted on 03/31/2005 7:45:52 AM PST by Warlord
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To: organdonor

No signup person says they left the Republican Party -- Thanks from a proud member of the Republican Party!


55 posted on 03/31/2005 7:46:01 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: 1stFreedom

I wouldn't blame anybody who would leave the GOP over this. However there were some republicans(feds) who fought a good fight for Terri and what they were doing should not go unnoticed.


56 posted on 03/31/2005 7:46:16 AM PST by youngtory (The Conservative Party of Canada is no longer conservative all thanks to Harper.)
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To: 1stFreedom
an ideal third party candidate

i.e. a loOser.

57 posted on 03/31/2005 7:46:17 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: 1stFreedom

My thoughts do not include trying to destroy the only
party that can stop the terror of the left wing in
America. I AM certain those on the left enjoy reading
thoughts about dividing the Republican party.


58 posted on 03/31/2005 7:46:20 AM PST by soycd
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To: 1stFreedom

This really poses a theological question:

Suppose we pull out of the republican party and form a life party. Maybe we win, maybe we don't, but if we don't, then we know (hope) we have voted for good. In doing so the greater of two evils prevails, and more harm is done.

However, I would preface that by saying when did our Lord ever compromise truth to gain more followers, lower the bar to allow more into paradise? When did our Lord ever comment on politics, or focus on changing Rome to make a better world? Change the man, change the world, that's probably how it's done? Politics is a reflection of the soul of man.


59 posted on 03/31/2005 7:46:23 AM PST by Scythian
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To: 1stFreedom

I think you need to settle down.

It is the Republicans that tried to save Terri's life.


60 posted on 03/31/2005 7:46:26 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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