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Let's end the Rancor (Vanity)
03/31/2005
| Leatherneck_MT
Posted on 03/31/2005 7:21:46 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT
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To: cripplecreek
Where did you get that figure? I believe it but wonder where it comes from.
Lets see what such figures imply if these are given the TS treatment. It costs hundreds of thousands a year to maintain them in these states maybe even a million. If the latter 30 billion if less maybe 15 per year. Should a case go on for 15 years the total may reach as much as 7.5 million to 15 million just for the medical costs not even counting the litigation expenses.
These figures are staggering and clearly unaffordable.
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To: SedVictaCatoni
For instance, Judge Greer obstructing an ongoing congressional investigation? That is the first thing that comes to mind...
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To: Javelina
Bye Bye just means not voting for them next time around not trying to kick them out. That's all. Sorry if it sounded like Rancor!
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:49:04 AM PST
by
areafiftyone
(The Democrat's Mind: The Hamster's dead but the wheel's still spinning!)
To: Leatherneck_MT; sure_fine
This ain't over by a long shot; it's just starting. It's going to get a whole helluva lot worse as we rip the lib-dem judge filth from their imperial benches.
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:50:51 AM PST
by
7.62 x 51mm
(• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
To: justshutupandtakeit
These figures are staggering and clearly unaffordable.
They are also in your imagination.
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:53:32 AM PST
by
UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
To: MizSterious
Greer was right and wrong.
I believe he over-extended his power (why does a judge have power over the rest of the state???).
He did uphold legal guardianship. Whether you like it or not, somewhere in the mess he did follow the law regarding that.
While many people want him removed, jailed, or executed, that solves nothing as Greer acted within the law. The real fight here should rest with Congress as well as state legislature. There obviously needs to be some sort of guideline in law for a judge to follow, not dictate.
The specifics of such a law; I don't know. I'd like to see some rational ideas which are based on medicine [real, not the Schindler type quack purchased opinion], individual rights, and states' right to adopt their own legislation, and not allow so much of a judicial free-for-all.
By giving people specific rights and options, the judicial will be limited.
Isn't that what this site is about, limited government?
Used to be..... before many decided to go 'fringe' and call for the death and imprisonment of people who acted legally [but not fairly, IMHO], and also called for severe government intervention with KGB type tactics (and then called anyone who disagreed with them a commie death cultist)
The attitude in the Republican base [at least on FR] really needs to adopt a new approach, which is really the old approach; drop the emotional hysteria, don't force a religion onto others, and just use freedom, liberty, and rights to propose and discuss better legislation [or the removal of] in cases of legal guardianship.
To: Leatherneck_MT
So you are 100% happy with the way the Judiciary in this country operates? What I am pointing out is that it does us no good to pretend that there is a consensus on FR about the issues here. Reading any of the Schiavo threads demonstrates that in a matter of minutes.
To: Javelina
Followed whose law.
Florida Statute 765.309 [prevents mercy killing and assisted suicide] - void in my Court.
Florida Statute 744.3215 [requires that incapacitated people cannot be deprived of food and water]] - void in my Court.
Florida Statute 765.404 [which says that clear and convincing evidence of the ward's intent for medical treatment must be established] ] - void in my Court.
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:59:25 AM PST
by
rocksblues
(First there was Terri, whose next? You, me, your child, your wife?)
To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"Some of the people on this forum killed Terri Shindler Shiavo as surely as if they had pulled the tube themselves."
So much for ending the rancor...
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posted on
03/31/2005 7:59:47 AM PST
by
lugsoul
(Wild Turkey)
To: Leatherneck_MT
Count me on your team! Very good post!
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posted on
03/31/2005 8:03:31 AM PST
by
PhiKapMom
(AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
To: Javelina
So, I'm guessing you vote against Leatherneck's idea?
I'm saying half of FReepers want to reign in the JUDICIAL OLIGARCHY while the other half only wants to reign it in on property right while supporting its radical pro-death agenda. The two are NOT divisible.
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posted on
03/31/2005 8:05:55 AM PST
by
UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
To: lugsoul
The problem with "ending the rancor" is, in my opinion, that this case, more than any other in recent times, has had the unusual effect of causing people to inadvertantly reveal their souls.
Some of us are repulsed by what we see, in what we thought was a party of like minds when it came to the sanctity of life. Some of us are repulsed on humanitarian grounds only, the callous disregard for an innocent, disabled woman. Others (and some of the same ones no doubt) by the chilling sense that this is how the Germans began, one small step at a time, what eventually became known as the Holocaust.
Life, for me, is everything, from conception right on through. A government that doesn't protect those who most need protection is not worth a whole heck of a lot. A government who condemns other countries for torture, yet "under the rule of law" (as it now stands) permits this atrocity, needs to examine its own soul, too. Or lack of one.
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posted on
03/31/2005 8:16:28 AM PST
by
MizSterious
(First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Some of the people on this forum killed Terri Shindler Shiavo as surely as if they had pulled the tube themselves.You need to calm down. Take a walk. Talk to your dog.
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posted on
03/31/2005 8:19:16 AM PST
by
sinkspur
(I'm in the WPPFF)
To: Milhous
There is one name that should make Chuck Hagel shake and it is "Tom Osborne".
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posted on
03/31/2005 8:21:46 AM PST
by
DarthVader
(John "Diarrhea of the Mouth" Kerry = Vile Smelling Excrement)
To: MizSterious
MizSterious - this happens every day. The only difference in this case is that family members who disagreed, along with a few media whores, made a huge deal out of it.
Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that Terri did not want to be maintained in that state? And, IF that was the case, would you not agree that the circus would be an astounding trampling of her wishes?
That's what it all comes down to - if she wanted the cessation of life-sustaining care, is there anything wrong with anything the government did in this case?
I don't know if she wanted it any more than you do. But we have procedures in place to make those determinations, and they were applied in this case with more effort, more second-guessing, more evidence than any similar case in history.
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posted on
03/31/2005 8:21:51 AM PST
by
lugsoul
(Wild Turkey)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
What I am pointing out is that it does us no good to pretend that there is a consensus on FR about the issues here. Reading any of the Schiavo threads demonstrates that in a matter of minutes.
Ok I understand what you are saying. You are right, there is no consensus, but that doesn't mean we can't try to work towards reigning in a runaway judiciary that has proven in cases outside of Terri's that it thinks it rules the roost.
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posted on
03/31/2005 8:23:55 AM PST
by
Leatherneck_MT
(3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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