Posted on 03/28/2005 10:07:26 AM PST by grassboots.org
With a united Republican Legislature amassed behind him, Gov. Jeb Bush pledged Tuesday to make his last two years in office as focused on conservative change as his first six.
Florida Gov. Jeb Bush delivers his State of the State address to members of the Florida Legislature on Tuesday in Tallahassee. AP Photo/Phil Coale "This is not a time for timid tweaks to the status quo. This is the time for bold, brave ideas in Florida that will shape our future and define us as dreamers, builders and problem solvers,"...
Among Republicans, there appeared to be sentiment that Bush faces little opposition, although there will be some debate on reforms.
"With the unity that you see with both houses and the governor, you can look for great changes in the next two years," said Rep. Greg Evers, R-Baker.
Bush's agenda encompasses "some of the most controversial and complicated things we do in state government," said Rep. Stan Mayfield, R-Vero Beach. "It wouldn't surprise me at all if it takes a couple of years before everyone is comfortable with reform."
When will Jeb get out of Greer's house?
A Couple of Questions I just emailed Jeb Bush -
If a local judge issued an order twenty minutes before a campaign appearance that your appearance was illegal, would you obey that order?
If a local judge issued an order that you must kill your own mother in the next 15 minutes from when served the order, would you obey that order?
And once the courts have rid Fla of all there tired old people that soak up all those expensive socail services he will be able to cut txaes and spending even more and get an even better CATO rating.
Ann Coulter
Thank you. It's nice to know someone knows the truth about what's going on in Florida politics.
Am still waiting for someone to come out and say "it was Jeb on the grassy knoll...".
Good on Ann. I don't think that's too much to ask. I expect that kind of leadership and courage from our elected officials. Too bad many of our conservative brethren are spending so much time making up excuses for that lack of leadership and courage.
Bravo, tremendous emotionalism, a little weak on pathos, but still worthy of a tear or two.
You think money, health and school is more important than life and you think we've got skewed priorities? LOL
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I think Government getting involved in a he said she said, in a case which is more or less a family dispute is ridiculous.
Here is something I wrote on it earlier:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366225/posts?page=108#108
Rather than mock, you should be seriously considering whether the thin conservative majority in this nation is splintering because of this issue.
I'm considering that rational thought has been thrown out the window, that a bunch of DU disruptors have infiltrated this website to stir the pot, that so-called Christians are busy calling people the anti-Christ and the devil, that people presume to read other peoples' minds, that so-called conservatives support anarchy. The Dems are just sitting back and laughing.
Those aren't the same things.
Given some judge gave those inane orders, the governor could easily find a judge to vacate those orders. The judiciary's built-in checks and balances would enable the governor to avoid being in contempt of court.
What happened with Terri Schiavo was all of the courts upheld the husband's right to choose for his wife. It was an overwhelming amount of collusion on the part of the courts, coupled with the fact that law enforcement officers recognize the courts, not the governor as their lawful leader, however erroneous that may be.
In a world where the letter and spirit of Constitution of Florida had been upheld, there would have been no ambiguity over who was ultimately in charge of enforcing the court ordered starvation of Terri Schiavo. In that world, the governor would've been able to merely hand down a written order to the law enforcement officers to stand down and not enforce the court orders issued in regards to Terri Schiavo's enforced starvation.
We, unfortunately, don't live in that world, because if the governor had tried exactly that, it probably would've caused some major conflicts within the law enforcement agencies, dividing the agencies along ideological lines, and ultimately disrupting the state even further, probably encouraging and permitting violence to spill over into the streets in the form of riots.
No, Florida just wasn't ready for a governor with the guts to turn the entire judicial system on its head and kick it hard enough so that it's ears were sticking out its arse, and do it successfully enough that there would be no civil unrest to mark the event.
So, in short - your argument lacks wits and thoroughness of thought, typical of liberals. You really don't want to go off half cocked like liberals are likely to do... do you?
In all likelihood, the agencies I cited would've looked for legal advice prior to accepting orders that go against the court's desires.
That simple expedient would've resulted in the majority of individuals to silently disobey by calling in sick, or inventing other delaying tactics until someone, somewhere clarified the situation's legal ambiguities for them.
In other words, the internal conflicts would've been disastrous, self-defeating, and impossible to resolve in short order.
Remember that unlike for the National Guard, the executive branch's authority over the civilian law enforcement agencies is mostly on paper, with much of the responsibility usurped by the courts. You make following orders a habit from one source, and suddenly you're told to ignore that source of authority, and the confusion would be total.
Now, if law enforcement agencies had declared from the start that they would do their appointed duties as outlined by the court order, up to the point where the governor says they no longer have to, then the governor might have felt empowered, but I bet the police and state troopers are as divided over Terri Schiavo's condition as the country is, because it seems that good intel on her condition has been deprived the general public by the coalition of the mainstream media.
So, the situation where the governor gives the order will likely have resulted in a refusal to carry out the order, and with Jeb Bush jailed and held in contempt of court. With the media circus standing ready to paint him as a fringe dictator, the legislature would be under a lot of pressure to impeach him, and if they don't, the conservatives in the legislature will lose their seats. Republicans will lose their influence, and in the end Terri will die, Jeb will be in jail, and Florida would be a judicial dictatorship in name as well as fact, with no hope for reversal because that's exactly what the liberals want.
Welcome to my world.
Absurd. Who else could adjudicate it, if the families can't agree? It HAD to be the government -- too bad they blew it.
Leaving all your personal insults aside: the problem is, you don't think that ordering a woman starved to death is an inane order - it is.
Your analysis about what would happen if Jeb Bush upheld the Constitution is simply a guess and not that realistic, in my opinion. Was their civil unrest after Elian Gonzales was taken from his relatives?
I agree that these were probably bigger considerations for Jeb Bush (who seems like an honest and even courageous fella) than politics. But there is no question that the decision not to act rests with him - he got conflicting legal advice and chose to obey a judge's order.
Absurd. Who else could adjudicate it, if the families can't agree?
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The courts. The Federal and State Reps have no business in this kind of thing. Thats what I meant.
Message to Jeb: You'll never get a vote from me. I prefer to vote for leaders.
The 'all roads lead to Terri' mindset has already gotten old. Instead on being fixated on Terri, the challenge is to change the laws to keep this from happening again, as well as getting better judges to hear matters when they get to court.
Terri fixation is already starting to sound like the terminally outraged Al Gore election 2000 frumps.
It's nice to see that an inability to cope with a loss is well represented on both sides of the aisle.
It's gotten old for you perhaps because Terri is a thing or an issue to you, but she is a person.
You are suggesting that we must choose between trying our best to see that Terri is saved and working for better judges - I say we can do both.
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