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[SlowBoat407]

(sigh) Too Bad, Justin. You had a chance at a meaningful exchange and perhaps some enilightenment, but apparently all you saw was an opportunity to stage a lame teach-in in the form of a question. I wonder if one of us would have lasted as long doing the same thing over at DU.

[William Terrell]

Well, consider. You posted this at 9:15 pm on the 16th. As of 6 am on the 17th, and 80 posts later, you have not responded to one post.

If you, as a liberal, are to lend have any credibility at all to your ideas you must engage with the opposition. Otherwise, you waste space and time, and prove that your point is insincere.

[Arrowhead1952]

Spell check is our friend. Looks like you have no need to use it anymore, as you got the ZOT!

[sweetliberty]

Ping to #84. He's still twitching.

[PilloryHillary]

"Thats what I mean by spread the hate....Im just a person. I don't really even consider myself that much of a democrat and you have to attack me."

AWWWWWW...

[Conspiracy Guy]

Are you also a beilever in spelling?



I Started a Post
Troll Zot Theme

I started a post, which brought out the Viking Kitties.
But I didn’t see, that the Mods would ban me, oh no.
I smelled some ozone, which started the Freepers, laughing.
Oh if I’d only seen that the Mods would ban me.



It came from the sky the sudden flash blinding my eyes.
And I laid there in bed, then someone said, “Jim he is dead.”
From Zot I had died, which started the Freepers, paving.
No I hadn’t seen that the Mods would ban me.



It came from the sky the sudden flash blinding my eyes.
And I laid there in bed, then someone said, “Jim he is dead.”
From Zot I had died, which started the Freepers, paving.
No I hadn’t seen that the Mods would ban me.
Oh oh no that Mods would ban me.



From; I started a Joke, Bee Gees.

From the twisted mind of Conspiracy Guy

[SlowBoat407]

Sensing the delicate electrical emanations of a twitching troll, Oliver stirs from a deep slumber...

[JimWforBush]

I can't beileve you posted this.

[William Terrell]

84 has been removed. What did he say?

[Jutboy3]

Hello everyone again....Its Jutboy here.

Sorry, I wanted to reply but my username got taken away (Reason: Troll???)...but I keep reading and so many people took the time to write I figured I create another account to at least try to write back. To admin: Im not sure what I did wrong (what is trolling?), could you please make it more clear so I don't do it again) I really would like to converse a little and think its not write that you should cut me off from writing back!

Ok..ok...to start off with - my spelling....well I rushed the letter, Im sorry....I think its kind of silly to attack me on that point when there are so many huge issues to discuss but whatever....

Some one asked about me (Dog Gone), Im a 21 year old working at a mental hospital currently holding a bachelors in psychology. I live in CT

To the comment that we liberals/conservatives can't ever have a discussion (AQGeiger)- I think thats silly, we are just people and I think all people want the same thing, we just go about getting it different ways.

I order of posting for replys

fullchroma: I was refering to posts like the first one

MJY1288: I don't think it can be said that simply becuase I don't know a liberal that doesn't get pissed about lazy people that sit around and spend our tax money.....since this address a lot I would like to say that I support letting people have their tax money. I don't understand why we have to cut funding for aid for needy people (and I understand that some people are abusing the system but I would say most actually need help) and giving tax cuts to billionires....I don't understand why republicians support a system so much hurts the poor and supports the rich.

bitt : I pay my taxs like everyone else and Im mostly upset that it all goes towards military and not towards programs I support...When I lived in Australia I had to pay 48% so I do know what its like

McGavin999: Thank you for writing to me like an intelligent person...I completly support your premise on fishing but I don't understand how welfare was so destructive.....it might have been abused but it must have helped some people....when I think of destructive I think of enviromental laws being dismantled, Reagon attacking Guatamala ect.

Baynative:Thank you for the long post...

Abortion: I don't support killing life AT ALL - but I think that more effort should be spent on supporting that life once it is born...I mean if having a kid ruins the mothers life and both the child + mom live in horrible conditions I can't justify it

immigration: I don't know much about it....I do know that we were all immigrants once though

Discrimination: I think its silly to try to address this by legislation and I think in general you have to admit thatliberals are more tolerant than republicians.

Enviroment: Who got their land taken away? Why are you stressing about an extra lane to support car pooling...why don't you worry about the goverment allowing business to release more toxic chemical (1 in 5 women of bearing age have unsafe levels of mercery), or allow the stripping of our natural resources

Gays:Their problem? Sounds like you don't except that they are the way they are...its like asking blacks to get over their problem

Ethyl: I think some people are put in a situation that they need help to start off and its hard to understand that if you started off in a pretty good place

deaconjim:I aggree with you 100%




more to come.....

[grellis]

You don't know the difference between the parties? Well, for starters, GOPers can spell. If they can't, they can spellcheck. We also tend to be a wee bit more logical, more consistent. Consider your own assertions, if you will:

...but I support goverment intervention for the needy (thus raising taxes)...

I am also a strong beilever in god, in liberity and in freedom.

Are there any bells going off yet?

[sweetliberty]

How we proved our hate, blah, blah blah....he's back at #91....again.

[Ragnorak]

Thank you.

[Jutboy3]

eccentric: Im interested in that link

MJY1288: Im not sure if you know whats like to be in need...when I went to Haiti these people certainly had a lot of diginity but many of them would die if they didn't except hand outs

REDWOOD99: Thank....I thought it would be rough and I am sorry...from now I an I will spell God correctly!

mountainlyons: I would like enter into logical discussion

wolfpat: I just subscribed

Wormwood:Who would but I don't see how democrats support this

jwalsh07: I addressed many of these already but I don't understand republicians defending their right to bear arms....I support the constitution (and of course theres the arguement they were refering to the militia) but guns hurt people so much and there are so much stats about coutnries without guns being so much safer...but you know what I don't want to take guns away....I just don't see how you can support Bush and thus the patriot act (what I see as the complete destruction of our constitution (if you want to argue this point please do so but in a logical manner)) but you care so much about having guns!!

new cruelty: I think thats a bit rude....Im sorry for being a bit nice to the liberal is how I see it?

Sam Cree: Thanks for the good post....I agree with you on all points...I don't understand how you think welfare has made people poorer though

Ethyl:I don't know where your stats came from...in CT about at least 50% of people attend some sort of church and I don't know anyone that doesn't beileve in God. I am not a strong support of organized religion however...I think it detracts from God and become more about power. I know you are the Christian Coalition but Im not sure if what that means exactly.

Deb: My view on terrorism is this....kill them if all they want to do is hurt us. If they are pissed cause we hurt them a bunch in the past then offer condolences....no one ever wonders why they hate us so much....I don't think its cause we are "free"

Zacs Mom:I didn't mean to offensive

SandyInSeattle: Will do..but you know that there a just as many for you guys

Ragnorak: point well take, but simply there is not enough private orgs that are helping and do think that the gov has a certain responsiblity to help/support its people......does what you say apply during the great depression????? Do you realize we are going through a smaller one now and some innocent people are being hurt by it.

Trippin: Point well taken about Iraq

nopardons: Thanks buddy....I figured the best way to learn is to ask

Outland: Id believe in socialism...I beileve in the middle way...cause I think either extreme is very destructive.

AnOldCowhand: THanks...I think

Wormwood: Hey hey now....I don't know how these things work.....I just posted and came back in the morning...relax whats the rush

nopardons: what makes you say Im not bright?

DocRock: I don't think the capitalization of God reflects my beliefs and I think it is a horrible thing to question me on that subject!!!! Shame on you

Outland: I agree with you completely about the horrible history (I just finished Howard Zimms : A people history of the US)

dog breath: THank you for the post....I agree with most of what you say except with the summary of liberals...also I would like to add, so the attempt to help with housing was a failure.....suprise suprise....thats a problem that comes up when you address symptoms not causes...I think we should try a differnt strategy then (like consueling ect.)

Bars4Bill: Why do you say stuff like that

KC_Conspirator: THanks and I think the same thing is true for republicians

doug from upland: Im not sure about this who family values thing...I mean how many divorces are there every year?

Ah...Ronald Reagan....I don't any of the communist states as real communism, I see it as facism.....and I don't support Clinton but he didn't kill 200,000 Guatamalians

"Your side wants to completely eliminate the mention of God" - I don't think we want that...we want protection againist forcing our religion on anyone...which I think is something worth considering...you can't say the current/past missionaries are doing things nice and respectible like

"your side has gone so far to the left that they are barely visible." _ id say the same thing about your side

Thanks for the post and I truely think its horrible either side has to comprimise and put people like we have had to into power

freedumb2003: Gender bais?

SlowBoat407: WHat was I trying to teach? What this whole goodbye stuff about?????

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I promise I will be back tonight, Thanks for writing with realitive respect.

[FreeKeys]

I don't understand the seperation between our parties, I honestly don't.

Well the basic questions are: WHO OWNS YOU? Do you own yourself or are you just another piece of government property? Who owns your kids? You or the government?

R's and D's tend to answer those fundamental questions completely differently. My personal suggestion is that you study THIS very, VERY carefully, and see if it doesn't help.

[FreeKeys]

I truly think its horrible either side has to comprimise and put people like we have had to into power

You mean it hasn't even dawned on you YET that when you build an enormous government and give it enormous powers that, nomatter who you are, the people you despise the most CAN and WILL be attracted to that power, and CAN and WILL BE in power sooner or later? Huh????????? (Duh).

How much time have you spent studying the Federalist Papers, Cato's Letters and the other founders' documents explaining exactly WHY they wanted to have a severely LIMITED government? "Give a good man great powers and crooks grab his job."

DO check out: ETERNAL VIGILANCE IS THE PRICE OF LIBERTY

[Zavien Doombringer]

Jutboy..

We may disagree on a lot of things but let's get this straight.

Gays are what they are, not who they are. I am a man, and heterosexual. Because I am heterosexual doesn't make me a man.

What they do is an abomination to God and goes against nature.

Homosexuality is a "learned" behavior. It isn't genetic. If it was, that gene would have been found and and the traits would be eveident in the family tree.

Do not give the arguement that the homosexual lifestyle was suppressed...that's bull crap. It is just as rampant today as yesterday.

Nobody is "born" homossexual. If this is a true theory, then homosexuals couldn't change...they do and have very productive families.

Satan is a liar, destroyer and wants to kill all of God's creation. this is just one of those lies that stop the propogation of the species...

[struggle]

Reread my post. Then read Frederich Hayek.

[William Terrell]

I don't understand how you think welfare has made people poorer though

The welfare system linked to the social security system is the centerpiece of the liberal cause.

It is very human to want to help people who are less fortunate than one's self. Many make the choice to do this with their own direct contributions of money and effort.

The argument is with forced contributions of money; effort can't be forced without a police state and even then is impractical.

In 1986, the amounts received via income and payroll taxes equaled the aggregate payouts to social security and welfare programs. All other government function were financed with other means of taxation. This means that the payroll and income taxes are for the sole purpose of financing the welfare programs in this country.

Those programs are socialist in nature. Socialism does not work, and it cannot work when applied in the medium of human nature. Frederik Bastiat wrote piece about this called "The Law" after the socialist revolution in France. Every single point in that book is being seen happening here, today.

When people can provide themselves largess from public funds, they will. When others see that they are, they will say to themselves, "Why should I work when I can get the same thing by not working?"

Read Bradford's diary, he who ran the Plymouth colony in the formation days of America. The Mayflower corporation specified a system of all work and all draw equally from the results of that work.

The Plymouth colony almost failed, in close proximity to the bounty of the land and the ocean because less people chose to work and more chose to feed off the largess of those who did. The colony was saved when Bradford junked that system and assigned land and property to each family to be developed and used by that family, leaving the slackers to their own devices.

This is American history. It is a prime example of how socialist programs do not work, and answers your question. The whole colony became poor, and almost perished, because of welfare.

Contributors to each welfare and social security recipient is down to three. More and more aggregate federal and state taxes must be taken from each producer to support each non-producer. Many now pay 40% of their entire yearly production to support these slackers, with more slackers on the horizon.

Not many years will pass before the quality of life for the producers will be at the same level of non-producers. Can you see the direction this is headed? Poverty for all, and increasing government control on individual lives to stem the rebellious swellings across the country, which swellings are already rapidly developing.

We must see open rebellion, and its impact on the quality of life of all, or open state tyranny, and its impact on the quality of life for all.

This process may not be thought in so many words in the minds of conservatives, but the gut realization is there and fuels what you call "hate" directed towards liberals.

Hope this helps your understanding.