Apple announces $499 Macintosh

AppleInsider ^ | January 11, 2005

[N3WBI3]

I was not an apple person *UNTIL* they went to UNIX, UNIX has a much more solid security model than NT, period.

Again, I'll back XP's very modern NT based architecture against your Unix based ancient architecture any day.

You mean the modern NT based on VMS which UNIX destroyed?

[ThinkDifferent]

Are all you CRAPPLE fanatics the same?

# 1, I'd back the stability of XP against any Mac any day.

They're both stable. Move on.

And # 2, Microsoft has already released a free Spyware removal software only this week, with a free virus removal software to follow.

Oh, you mean the "free" beta that's going to become a paid subscription service?

there is plenty of spyware for Macs too.

For example?

[antiRepublicrat]

# 1, I'd back the stability of XP against any Mac any day.

Not a chance. You might have a decent case with Windows Server 2003, but not XP, and especially not the castrated XP Home that ships with the cheap Dell. OS X is UNIX, and Windows can never match the uptime and stability of UNIX, especially if you ever have to patch it.

XP home, what a joke. Compare that to the fully-functional OS X on the Mac mini with the full features of BSD underneath. Download a free "personal firewall" or use the ineffective one on XP Home? Why not just use OS X and always get enterprise-class firewall software included. Want to web develop on the cheap Dell? Too bad, doesn't come with any type of server software. OS X has it all.

And # 2, Microsoft has already released a free Spyware removal software only this week, with a free virus removal software to follow.

And, according to industry buzz, a non-free subscription service to follow to keep them current. Anyway, I think it's funny -- make your software so bad that a huge problem develops, then instead of fixing your software's problem, buy and release another software title to band-aid the problem.

but even so there is plenty of spyware for Macs too.

Name one in the wild that has infected any number of Macs to be considered a problem.

[minus_273]

dude, the more i read you posts the more it seems like either you are a troll (CRAPPLE? boy that is mature) or you have almost no technical knowledge. The fact is, the pentium 4 achitecture is crap. You've been fooled by intel marketing. Actually, P4 is so bad that the next pentium looks like it will go back to th P3 core. The P4 was a huge mistake intel has even killed the p4 4ghz chip and are moving back to other cores.

[ThinkDifferent]

Been hearing that refrain for 4 years at least. CRAPPLE's share still hasn't gone anywhere.

Do you enjoy looking like a socially retarded 12 year old or is that actually the case? At any rate, yes, let's take a look at the last 5 years:

[KwasiOwusu]

"More like 5%, thanks to things like that original much-copied iMac, which was the hottest selling computer that year. This is including any Dell models, as the iMac (one specific model from one specific manufacturer) captured 10% of the whole PC market. Apple's new lower-priced models have a habit of selling fast"


I'll just send you to your own Mac site link.


"Apple Computer's worldwide market share fell to 1.8% in the third quarter of this year from 2.1%, and dropped to 3.2% from 3.6% in the U.S., according to figures from research company Gartner. The numbers also showed dramatic declines in the quarter-to-quarter growth rate of Macs sold while Apple's Windows-based competitors saw double digit increases in the U.S and an almost 10% rise worldwide."

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/10/29.6.shtml



That is from October 29th, 2004, the latest figures I could find.

[antiRepublicrat]

Last time Im going to point this out to you Pentium=CISK, G4=RISK. Those are not only two different processor architectures those are two completely different design methodology.

RISC. Anyway, both of you might want to check the Ars Technica article on the difference between a G4 and a Pentium 4. But remember that the article is outdated as the G4 has had a couple generations of technical improvements since then.

KwasiOwusu, I expect you to have read this if you comment any further based on clock speed. But to sum it up, the P4 executes a small number of instructions per cycle, but cycles very quickly. The G4 processes a larger number of instructions per cycle, but cycles more slowly. In other words, a four-line highway of 40mph cars doesn't carry more traffic than a two-lane highway of 80mph cars (aside from any real-world traffic engineering considerations).

Ramping the clock speed at the expense of efficiency was simply a marketing tactic of Intel's at a time when GHz was popularly seen as an indicator of how fast a processor is. It was exceptionally embarrassing when the first Pentium 4 at 1.5GHz was actually slower than the latest Pentium III at a much lower clock.

Given that Intel has followed AMD's lead in not naming the processor by its clock speed anymore, it's apparent that Intel has abandoned clock speed and started to look at efficiency -- just like the G4 and AMD chips had all along. Of course that could have something to do with the fact that they hit a wall on the clock speed ramp.

[N3WBI3]

ug cant believe I made that mistake.... thanks for the heads up..

[KwasiOwusu]

" Do you enjoy looking like a socially retarded 12 year old or is that actually the case? At any rate, yes, let's take a look at the last 5 years "


I'll just send you to your own Mac site link, like I did in my previous post.
Let's look at the Mac's market share today, shall we?
From Gartner no less.


"Apple Computer's worldwide market share fell to 1.8% in the third quarter of this year from 2.1%, and dropped to 3.2% from 3.6% in the U.S., according to figures from research company Gartner. The numbers also showed dramatic declines in the quarter-to-quarter growth rate of Macs sold while Apple's Windows-based competitors saw double digit increases in the U.S and an almost 10% rise worldwide."

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/10/29.6.shtml


You are still at less than 2% worldwide. I was too generous before.
And about the mentally retarded bit, you'll find that its you that is mentally retarded, only thing is, in your own case, even a mentally retarded 5 year old makes more sense than you do. :)

[antiRepublicrat]

but we can still compare raw performance.

Since you love Intel processors, tell me how an Intel Itanium 2 at 1.6 GHz will outperform an Intel Xeon at 3.6 GHz or a Pentium 4 at 3.8 GHz.

I'll tell you how: different architectures.

[KwasiOwusu]

"dude, the more i read you posts the more it seems like either you are a troll "

Oh boy, not another one of those.
A CRAPPLE fanatic's definition of a troll: "Anyone who doesn't think the sun rises and sets on a Mac computer"

Grow up, "dude".


"The fact is, the pentium 4 achitecture is crap"

Come again?
How many processors have you designed again?
For "crap" architecture, its managed to conquer a remarkably impressive share of all PC's sold on the planet, hasn't it?.
Let me know when you think you want to say something that actually makes sense will you?

[GSWarrior]

The reason Macs are relatively virus-free is that most of the world runs on Windows platform.

[KwasiOwusu]

"Since you love Intel processors, tell me how an Intel Itanium 2 at 1.6 GHz will outperform an Intel Xeon at 3.6 GHz or a Pentium 4 at 3.8 GHz.
I'll tell you how: different architectures."

Of course they are different architectures.
Itanium is 64 bit for starters.
But do we have computer mags run standards tests on standard applications comparing systems with those 2 different processors? Of course we do.
Which is the point I was making.

As to which of the above is fastest, I have to see a proper standardized test of systems based on the 2 systems before I can possibly comment on that.

[N3WBI3]

And the real reason a saab is safer than a yugo is because more people drive yugo's?

[KwasiOwusu]

"As to which of the above is fastest, I have to see a proper standardized test of systems based on the 2 systems before I can possibly comment on that"

Should read:

"As to which of the above is fastest, I have to see a proper standardized test of systems based on the 2 pairs of PROCESSORS before I can possibly comment on that"

[N3WBI3]

As to which of the above is fastest, I have to see a proper standardized test of systems based on the 2 systems before I can possibly comment on that.

Why? you have been making those comments about the G4 on this very thread..

[KwasiOwusu]

"And the real reason a saab is safer than a yugo is because more people drive yugo's?"

People don't deliberately drive into your car because you drive a Yugo.
Malignant virus writers overwhelmingly write viruses for Windows because its got over 90% of the world's desktops.

Your analogy won't wash.

[KwasiOwusu]

"Why? you have been making those comments about the G4 on this very thread.."

That is the G4.
Those are 2 Intel processors.
Not the same.

[Swordmaker]

Plus you avoid all those exploding computers that CRAPPLE was selling not that long ago.

Are you referring to the recall of the laptop batteries that overheated? This problem affected FOUR, count 'em, 4. users and Apple recalled 28,000 batteries. Dell had a similar problem not too long ago with one of their Dell Insperion Windows laptops' batteries overheating... they had to recall over 284,000.

Both issues were apparently with the same battery manufacturer in Taiwan.

Now, what was that about "CRAPPLE"?

[Swordmaker]

And # 3, CRAPPLE's market share is too tiny at only 2% for the serious virus and spyware writers to waste too much time on Macs, but even so there is plenty of spyware for Macs too.

Are you Windoze fanatics the same?

Please provide ONE example of a Mac Spyware program that will self install... or even ask the administrator to install it.