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Fossil Fuels Made without Fossils
Credit: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences ^ | 9/13/2004 5:01 PM | Gabe Romain

Posted on 10/28/2004 10:55:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The researchers squeezed materials common at the Earth's surface—iron oxide, calcite and water—to pressures ranging from 50,000 to 110,000 times the pressure at sea level. They then heated the samples to temperatures up to 1,500°C (2,700°F). They were able to get methane to form by reducing the carbon in calcite over a wide range of temperatures and pressures, supporting the possibility that the deep Earth may produce abiogenic hydrocarbons.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Outdoors; Science
KEYWORDS: anwr; energy; opec; thomasgold

The Deep, Hot Biosphere The Deep, Hot Biosphere
by Thomas Gold
foreword by Freeman Dyson


1 posted on 10/28/2004 10:55:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Russian discovery blows gas theory
out of the oil window
Russian microbiologists have proved that methane is evolved by archaebacteria living in the hot salt solutions circulating deep in the crust. The research, by Nadezhda Verkhovtseva of Lomonosov Moscow State University, implies that organic-rich sediment may not be the only source for useful hydrocarbon reserves. The samples were obtained from the Vorotilovskaya Deep Well (70km north of Nizhny Novgorod). The implication of this is that many areas, formerly rejected as hydrocarbon plays should now be looked at with renewed interest.
Gas (Methane) Hydrates B
A New Frontier
Recent mapping conducted by the USGS off North Carolina and South Carolina shows large accumulations of methane hydrates. A pair of relatively small areas, each about the size of the State of Rhode Island, shows intense concentrations of gas hydrates. USGS scientists estimate that these areas contain more than 1,300 trillion cubic feet of methane gas, an amount representing more than 70 times the 1989 gas consumption of the United States. Some of the gas was formed by bacteria in the sediments, but some may be derived from deep strata of the Carolina Trough. The Carolina Trough is a significant offshore oil and gas frontier area where no wells have been drilled.
Life After Death in the Deep Sea
by Richard A. Lutz,
Timothy M. Shank,
and Robert Evans
Abstract: The first examples of life forms not dependent on solar energy were discovered by scientists using towed cameras and the submersible Alvin in 1977 along hydrothermal vents of the Galapagos Rift. Since then, investigators have made hundreds of dives aboard Alvin to learn more about these unusual ecological communities. In the spring of 1991, Alvin and its tender, Atlantis II, happened to be on station above the East Pacific Rise between 9 and 10 degrees north latitude only a few days after the axial summit trough 2,550 meters below the surface erupted, obliterating a thriving vent community. The authors made numerous dives on the 9N Biotransect over the ensuing 10 years. Their article describes the return of life to the vents and the ecological succession they witnessed.
Life on other Planets
by Thomas Gold
May 1997
Highly oxidized iron is abundant on Mars, and very small-grained magnetite can then be expected to be one of the accumulated residues of microbial processes; so can iron sulfide and methane-derived carbonates. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are the large molecules that might remain in a rock that originally contained crude oil but then was exposed for millions of years to the high vacuum of space. All these substances have been found in the discovery meteorite, closely packaged to each other, and this by itself would make a strong case for the microbial interpretation. In addition, there are small objects seen under scanning electron microscopy that may well be fossils of microbes. While the last item by itself would not be conclusive evidence, the combination of this together with oil and the three residue products make a strong case for the microbial explanation. It is true that each step can occur without biological intervention, but the chance of finding by chance the evidence for all three solids in a small volume, together with hydrocarbons, seems to be very low. Many terrestrial oil and gas wells show just such an association (but an association with helium also, which the meteorite could not have transported through space).

2 posted on 10/28/2004 10:55:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
This is fascinating. Rush made some mention of this on his show quite some time ago, but didn't go into any depth.
Thanks for the info.
3 posted on 10/29/2004 5:08:11 AM PDT by Brainhose (THINK OF THE KITTENS!)
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To: Brainhose
You're most welcome. Gold's first book on this topic was "Power From the Earth", but "Deep Hot Biosphere" covers much the same ground, and has more and updated material.
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

4 posted on 10/29/2004 8:11:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ValerieUSA
There was also a recent FR thread about Thomas Gold's death. For the time being (dunno how long -- I've found some of these emeritus' web pages are left up for years by various universities) a number of Gold's papers related to this are still online, besides the one linked and quoted above.
Recharging of oil and gas fields
by Thomas Gold
September 1999
Vertically stacked domains of hydrocarbons have been found in all cases where drilling was sufficient to display them. The consistent tendency to find hydrocarbons below any producing region has been given the name of "Koudyavtsev's Rule", after the important Russian petroleum investigator who discovered this effect and collected a very large number of examples of it from all parts of the world. This rule would be the consequence of a deep origin of hydrocarbons and a steady process of outgassing... [In Kuwait] [t]he extraction of g[r]oundwater at the shallow levels results in the disintegration of the barrier to the oil levels just below, and the water in the wells is suddenly replaced by oil. The delicate pressure balance that had established itself, just up to the level that the strength of the rock could bear, had been upset. Similarly in stacked domains of hydrocarbons, the lower domains will be opened quickly, once the upper ones had been depleted and the fluid pressure thereby reduced sufficiently. This process can be fast, just as it is in Kuwait, where we had the advantage that a different liquid (water) filled the upper domain, so that one could identify the rupture to the oil filled domain below.
This only works in foreign countries. In the US -- uniquely in the world -- drilling for oil results in the mass extinction of all species and earthquakes. ;')
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

5 posted on 10/29/2004 8:27:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Brainhose
More on non-fossil fuels:
Google

6 posted on 10/29/2004 8:47:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Just another example of where the evolutionists have led us down the wrong path.


7 posted on 10/29/2004 12:36:59 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
Uniformitarian Gradualists maybe, but this really hasn't anything to do with evolution per se.
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

8 posted on 10/29/2004 11:19:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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In the photo on this page, it appears that gas hydrates were brought up from a well in Sweden's Siljan Ring (a Devonian impact crater)
Abiogenic Gas Debate
by David Brown
November 2002
This paper, written by J.F. Kenney of Gas Resources Corp. in Houston and three Russian co-authors... present an evaluation of the chemical potentials and related thermodynamic affinities for n-alkanes... They also briefly describe the experimental production of petroleum hydrocarbons using only wetted marble (CaCO3) and solid iron oxide (FeO), in an apparatus allowing investigation at pressures up to 50 kbar and temperatures up to 1,500° Celsius. Kenney said there is no real debate about petroleum origination. "There has not been any 'debate' about the origin of hydrocarbons for over a century," he stated. "Competent physicists, chemists, chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological material since the last quarter of the 19th century." ...No one in the United States has been more associated with the theory of abiogenic petroleum than Thomas Gold, a professor of astronomy at Cornell University, now retired. "The only real opponents to this story (of abiogenic origin) are in Western Europe and in the United States, and they are the professional petroleum geologists," he said.
125 years behind?
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

9 posted on 10/29/2004 11:39:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ValerieUSA
Earth's Hidden Oil Reserves
by Gregory Mone
Henry Scott of Indiana University South Bend... who had read Gold’s 1998 book The Deep Hot Biosphere... simulated the conditions within the mantle using a diamond anvil apparatus. He took two diamonds with flattened tips; heated them up; stuck some iron (II) oxide, calcite and water between them; and pushed the diamonds together. The setup generated temperatures up to 1,500°C and 100,000 times the pressure found at sea level. These conditions forced the carbon in the calcite to react with the hydrogen in the water, forming methane. All of which indicates that simple hydrocarbons -- but not necessarily their heavier counterparts, oil and natural gas -- could exist deep within the earth. In his next experiment, Scott plans to move up to the heavier stuff. But even if he does find that there could be oil reserves in the mantle, don’t expect the price at the pump to drop. At the 62-to-186-mile depth that Gold suggested, even the most ambitious oilman wouldn’t get to it anytime soon.
62 miles via pipeline versus 6,000 by supertanker... hmm... let me think...

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10 posted on 12/11/2004 2:55:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

It's like *duh*
Someday science may catch up with common sense. I won't hold my breath waiting for that moment...


11 posted on 12/11/2004 4:24:41 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Good thing, blue skin and red hair, not a good combo, hmm... well... maybe... red hair does complement everything I guess...
12 posted on 12/11/2004 4:32:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv

What! You mean all those dinosaurs died for nothing?


13 posted on 12/11/2004 4:35:17 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: TruthWillWin

[Sinclair gasoline ad flashback]


14 posted on 12/11/2004 4:39:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
   The Deep, Hot Biosphere
   by Thomas Gold

Already been cited in argument ...

But, it's always nice to see someone else 'pushing' current thinking on this subject.

15 posted on 12/24/2004 6:56:46 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim

Merry Christmas, and nice to meet you.


16 posted on 12/24/2004 8:29:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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February 2005 bump
17 posted on 02/04/2005 11:29:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: 75thOVI; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; Berosus; CGVet58; chilepepper; ckilmer; Eastbound; ...
Thanks Fred Nerks for the link:
Natural Gas, Oil Occur Naturally & Are Not a Limited Fossil Fuel, Says Prominent Scientist
Thomas Gold
interviewed by Tom Valentine
The astronomers have been able to find that hydrocarbons, as oil, gas and coal are called, occur on many other planetary bodies. They are a common substance in the universe. You find it in the kind of gas clouds that made systems like our solar system. You find large quantities of hydrocarbons in them. Is it reasonable to think that our little Earth, one of the planets, contains oil and gas for reasons that are all its own and that these other bodies have it because it was built into them when they were born?

18 posted on 01/21/2006 7:11:21 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting stuff. So, what makes those watches go???


19 posted on 01/21/2006 7:22:47 PM PST by ForGod'sSake
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