The confederate flag in movies (especially non war)

10/10/04 | Phil.K

[Jakarta ex-pat]

If anybody knows of a movie depicting the confederate flag negatively, especially a non-war movie, please add below, with details if possible.

[Jakarta ex-pat]

An example would be on Scott Glenn's jeep in "The River", (yes, of course he's the "bad" guy.

[Hugin]

Pulp Fiction. The sadistic psycho pawn shop owner has a confederate flag hanging in his shop.

[Hugin]

Pulp Fiction. The sadistic psycho pawn shop owner has a confederate flag hanging in his shop.

[LouAvul]

In "A Time To Kill" didn't the two perps have a confederate license plate?

[durasell]

Not a movie, but on the TV show The Beverly Hillbillies, the character known as Granny used to wave the "stars and bars."

[Clemenza]

The Confederate flag is the flag of sedition.

Nevertheless, the Hollywood stereotyping of southerners has to stop. The most racist white people I have ever known were some of the folks I grew up around in New York.

[Clemenza]

Gay, racist rednecks was a funny idea on the part of Tarantino if you ask me.

[swmobuffalo]

"The Confederate flag is the flag of sedition"

Is your definition of sedition protecting your family and property from invasion? The Confederate Flag is a battleflag and a symbol of rebellion world wide. Sedition has nothing to do with it.

[M. Espinola]

I fully agree the confederate flag is the universally accepted symbol of racism, bigotry, sedition and treason.

To think in this day & age while America is at war, this debate continues after America was plunged into a Civil War, in part, over the issue of bigots demanding other men remain chained to the South's cotton empire so the evil could expand & flourish. Incredible!

0h, before you even think about it with me...to the wacko 'neo-confederates'-KKK types lurking out there. Attempting to feed real conservative American viewers the worn out crap that 'neo-confederates' are conservatives, ...please do not even bother since most in the political area have heard the masked agenda rubbish. are cognizant of the lies & fully reject them. You schlubs need to get a life. The majority in this nation, this Union, whether the rebellious few like it or not, is united in a counter jihadic-terrorist war against another despicable enemy built on hate, which is attempting to terrorize the civilized world into submission to a global Islamist state. From Israel to Iraq & far beyond they are failing! (just as any hate movement will always totally fail. hint, hint.

[swmobuffalo]

YOU ARE Full OF CRAP!!!!!

[M. Espinola]

Clam down before you explode... lol

[swmobuffalo]

Clam down? I assume you mean either calm or clamp and no I won't. You have no clue to how Southerners feel about their history. Hopefully one day you'll learn just how offensive your missive is.

[CapnAJ]

This is from Joseph Sobran: "We forget that sympathy for secession was so strong in the North that Abraham Lincoln had to crush freedom of speech and press, with thousands of arrests, in order to suppress it. If the North had been free, the South would have won its freedom." (www.sobran.com/columns/2004/041123.shtml) I thought it an apt statement. I did poll my Confederate friends and none of them support slavery nor do any of them support hatred toward anybody (jihadists excepted). You might want to read Ann Coulter's _How to Talk to a Liberal_ Chapter 8 "The Battle Flag" and read James Webb's excellent _Born Fighting: The Scots-Irish_ . Another excellently researched book would be James E. Kiblers' _Our Father's Fields_ or Alexis de Tocqueville's clear analysis of race relations in North and South circa 1845. I think they'll help you broaden your perspective on the 1860 conflict. I'm sorry slavery ever existed in this country, just as I'm sorry children spent 12 hours in Pennsylvania coal mines (see Lewis Hine's excellent photo essay _Children At Work_ photos from the turn of the century 1900s) or that the post Lincoln government decided that the eradication of the American Plains Indians was a noble endeavor. Shall we abandon the US flag as well? I'm part Cherokee and I can tell you that flag didn't mean 'freedom' to my great-grandfathers, who rode with CSA Gen Stand Watie! And make the damn Brits pull down the Union Jack - I lost 2 sets of Catholic gggrandparents to the famine of 1848 - don't get me started on what the Union Jack means to me! Those Cherokee and Irish grandparents held no slaves, dear one, but they were fighting an empirical and increasingly despotic government. And recall the original 13th amendment (ok the 2nd original 13th - the first was against titles of nobility) put in play by a Union only Congress agreed to slavery in perpetuity. Oh and then there's the fact that the North freed no slaves prior to the 13th (the 3rd one) amendment, which meant that Sherman, Sheridan and Lincoln (and New Orleans, Maryland, etc) kept their 'personal servants' until after 1865. Hmmm...

[CapnAJ]

I would submit that the Betsy Ross flag was also a flag of sedition. By your logic, America had no right to secede. I'm assuming you'll be in charge of setting up the party wherein we lower the Stars and Stripes and learn to curtsy to Her Majesty?

The South did not seek to overthrow the US Government, any more than Lincoln gave a rat's whiskers about the condition of the slaves. Do you have any idea - any idea at all - at the extent of Communist involvement with both Lincoln's and Grants administrations or that a Marxist (Carl Schurz) was the real force behind the farce known as the Emanicipation Proclamation (which as you undoubtedly know, freed absolutely NO slaves in Federal territory!). That 'hallowed' missive was little more than political rhetoric. Karl Marx wrote articles for the New York papers on the war. Ah but see how great working conditions were for all folks after the moral victory of the industrial north. Makes me want to break out in song "...load 16 tons and whaddya get...another day older and deeper in debt...I owe my soul to the company store..." (Merle Travis circa 1955). Of course if you were a Cheyenne Indian, you didn't get deeper in debt - you got a blanket infected with smallpox or measles, courtesy Sherman, Sheridan and the US army under Mr. President Grant. Ah yes,"...the [general] is a very moral man." (Apologies to Captain Spalding...)

[M. Espinola]

The majority of the people in this nation know President Lincoln was a great man & a great leader.

President Lincoln was taken from the American people by a demented individual, consumed with blind hate.

Other presidents have met the same fate, it is sad to say.

After President Lincoln was elected president of the United States our nation was torn in two by those wishing to expand an evil empire, which we know was defeated, but at a massive cost in human lives.

Have a Merry Christmas to you & yours.

[M. Espinola]

That day I was having some hearty New England clam chowder. (you should try some, you would really like it on a cold day). Well anyway, the clams were the focus, not the 'calm' :) but you understood.

Have a Merry Christmas

[swmobuffalo]

Don't like clams. Don't like New England either.
Lincoln was was not a hero nor a saint nor a "great" president. You seriously need to do some studying of history from the original viewpoint.
Lincoln had no interest in freeing the slaves. He had no interest in keeping the freed slaves in the states. The only thing he was interested in was the money the Southern states were providing for the "upkeep" of the Federal Government. Look it up.

[M. Espinola]

There lies your problema. One which does not like clams, and where the best clams originate, New England, is already beginning from a clouded view point.

I bet you have never been in New England long enough to sample the summer's best, baked or broiled scallops

& all those Cape Cod fried clams, or Rhode Island steamers, plus Boston's rich clam chowder coupled along with scrod of the day.

How would you like a fine Manhattan glat kosher deli?

All that stuff about President Lincoln...I wonder if you would have been in favour of freeing the slaves back in the late 1850's & early 1860's?

[swmobuffalo]

Never been that far North and have no desire to be. I don't like clams. I have been known however to attempt to eat my weight in crablegs. Have never been a proponent of slavery to begin with. If you're claiming Lincoln was so great you haven't studied enough non-northern viewpoint history. Lincoln's own words condemn him.

[M. Espinola]

Do you mean to to me and all the viewers you have not even been in New England....yet, you stated "I don't like New England". Incredible

How do you know whether you would not like a place, most people, even tourists do indeed enjoy, when you have not set foot in any of the six states which make up New England.

Where's this Clam Man? He needs to be clam emancipated.

What is this all about? "Never been that far North [and have no desire to be.] What's that? You think the clams are going to leap out of the coastal clam beds & attack you?

Talk about 'closed' minded..oy

Ladies gentlemen this is the guy who hates places he has never visited and is also telling everyone one of America's greatest leaders, President Lincoln, is some kind historical rat bum, just because he says so.

Jezzz.. no wonder the clams don't like [you]!

You don't like New York, Montréal or Philly either, right?

I bet you won't get in a Lincoln Town Car nor collect any American pennies made after 1909, right?

By the way, have you considered clam & Linclon treatment?