To: swmobuffalo
Do you mean to to me and all the viewers you have not even been in New England....yet, you stated "I don't like New England". Incredible
How do you know whether you would not like a place, most people, even tourists do indeed enjoy, when you have not set foot in any of the six states which make up New England.
Where's this Clam Man? He needs to be clam emancipated.
What is this all about? "Never been that far North [and have no desire to be.] What's that? You think the clams are going to leap out of the coastal clam beds & attack you?
Talk about 'closed' minded..oy
Ladies gentlemen this is the guy who hates places he has never visited and is also telling everyone one of America's greatest leaders, President Lincoln, is some kind historical rat bum, just because he says so.
Jezzz.. no wonder the clams don't like [you]!
You don't like New York, Montréal or Philly either, right?
I bet you won't get in a Lincoln Town Car nor collect any American pennies made after 1909, right?
By the way, have you considered clam & Linclon treatment?
20 posted on
12/20/2004 8:19:56 PM PST by
M. Espinola
(Freedom is never free)
To: M. Espinola
If you are an example of New Englanders then my opinion is proved out. It's cold, noisy, too many people and entirely too close to Canada. You don't know anything about me and making the snap judgments you've made in reference to me are all incorrect.
Lincoln's words:"On Aug. 21, 1858 in his first debate with Stephen Douglas, on the subject of emancipation Lincoln stated, " Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this
We cannot, then, make them equals." In that same debate Lincoln acknowledged the right of slaveowners to their property and said "when they remind us of their constitutional rights (to own slaves), I acknowledge them, not grudgingly but fully and fairly; and I would give them any legislation for the reclaiming of their fugitives". What Lincoln promised was that he would support the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 which would put the full power of the Federal government behind making sure that slaves would be returned to their owners.
And again:"Lincoln wrote a letter to the editor of the "New York Tribune" in 1862 stating his purpose for war with the South. He said, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union."
New Orleans Daily Crescent-1861, "They (the South) know that it is their import trade that draws from the people's pockets sixty or seventy millions of dollars per annum, in the shape of duties, to be expended mainly in the North, and in the protection and encouragement of Northern interest.... These are the reasons why these people do not wish the South to secede from the Union. They (the North) are enraged at the prospect of being despoiled of the rich feast upon which they have so long fed and fattened, and which they were just getting ready to enjoy with still greater gout and gusto. They are as mad as hornets because the prize slips them just as they are ready to grasp it."
Lincoln said: " ... in saving the union, I have destroyed the Republic. Before me I have the Confederacy, which I loath. *But behind me I have the bankers, which I fear
And, What then will become of my tariff?" Abraham Lincoln to Virginia compromise delegation, March 1861.
First Inaugural address, I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery". [Because his preoccupation was the collection of the tariff that slavery funded].
The war was unconstitutional and the closing of over 300 Northern newspapers and suspension of habeas corpus that jailed 13,000 Northern civilians (including elected officials) is without parallel in our entire history! The Lincoln Administration repeatedly violated amendments 1, 4,5,6,8, 9 and 10.
While the war is now represented as an altruistic crusade by the North to free the slaves the historical facts could not be more contradictory. The 1860 Republican Convention contained a platform plank promising protection for slavery everywhere it currently existed. Lincoln at his first inaugural address offered a constitutional amendment forever protecting slavery. A Congressional Resolution in 1862 reaffirmed the wars aim was to preserve the Union, not free the slave.
The Emancipation Proclamation was met in the North by laws collectively known as Black Codes. These laws forbade entry, travel, work or residence by African-Americans in Northern states. The Proclamation was nothing but a clever ruse to stall imminent European recognition of the Confederacy. IT FREED NO ONE. Slave states remaining in the Union (in the border states) not only retained their slaves, but also benefited from the strictest enforcement of the hated Fugitive Slave Law.
And in case you've forgotten why do you think the country of Liberia was founded? It wasn't because of any altruistic thinking on Lincoln's part. It was to get as many black people out of the United States as possible.
Care for any more?
21 posted on
12/21/2004 10:20:18 AM PST by
swmobuffalo
(the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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