The confederate flag in movies (especially non war)

10/10/04 | Phil.K

[Jakarta ex-pat]

If anybody knows of a movie depicting the confederate flag negatively, especially a non-war movie, please add below, with details if possible.

[swmobuffalo]

If you are an example of New Englanders then my opinion is proved out. It's cold, noisy, too many people and entirely too close to Canada. You don't know anything about me and making the snap judgments you've made in reference to me are all incorrect.

Lincoln's words:"On Aug. 21, 1858 in his first debate with Stephen Douglas, on the subject of emancipation Lincoln stated, " Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this… We cannot, then, make them equals." In that same debate Lincoln acknowledged the right of slaveowners to their property and said "when they remind us of their constitutional rights (to own slaves), I acknowledge them, not grudgingly but fully and fairly; and I would give them any legislation for the reclaiming of their fugitives". What Lincoln promised was that he would support the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 which would put the full power of the Federal government behind making sure that slaves would be returned to their owners.

And again:"Lincoln wrote a letter to the editor of the "New York Tribune" in 1862 stating his purpose for war with the South. He said, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union."
New Orleans Daily Crescent-1861, "They (the South) know that it is their import trade that draws from the people's pockets sixty or seventy millions of dollars per annum, in the shape of duties, to be expended mainly in the North, and in the protection and encouragement of Northern interest.... These are the reasons why these people do not wish the South to secede from the Union. They (the North) are enraged at the prospect of being despoiled of the rich feast upon which they have so long fed and fattened, and which they were just getting ready to enjoy with still greater gout and gusto. They are as mad as hornets because the prize slips them just as they are ready to grasp it."

Lincoln said: " ... in saving the union, I have destroyed the Republic. Before me I have the Confederacy, which I loath. *But behind me I have the bankers, which I fear
And, What then will become of my tariff?" Abraham Lincoln to Virginia compromise delegation, March 1861.
First Inaugural address, “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery". [Because his preoccupation was the collection of the tariff that slavery funded].

The war was unconstitutional and the closing of over 300 Northern newspapers and suspension of habeas corpus that jailed 13,000 Northern civilians (including elected officials) is without parallel in our entire history! The Lincoln Administration repeatedly violated amendments 1, 4,5,6,8, 9 and 10.

While the war is now represented as an altruistic crusade by the North to free the slaves the historical facts could not be more contradictory. The 1860 Republican Convention contained a platform plank promising protection for slavery everywhere it currently existed. Lincoln at his first inaugural address offered a constitutional amendment forever protecting slavery. A Congressional Resolution in 1862 reaffirmed the war’s aim was to “preserve the Union, not free the slave”.
The Emancipation Proclamation was met in the North by laws collectively known as “Black Codes”. These laws forbade entry, travel, work or residence by African-Americans in Northern states. The Proclamation was nothing but a clever ruse to stall imminent European recognition of the Confederacy. IT FREED NO ONE. Slave states remaining in the Union (in the border states) not only retained their slaves, but also benefited from the strictest enforcement of the hated Fugitive Slave Law.

And in case you've forgotten why do you think the country of Liberia was founded? It wasn't because of any altruistic thinking on Lincoln's part. It was to get as many black people out of the United States as possible.

Care for any more?

[M. Espinola]

How can you have any opinion on an entire region of this nation you have never even visited, never mind lived in. Where is the logic in this?

You have preconceived phobias based on an unexplaned brainwashed geography teachings concerning the whole North-east.

It's 'cold'? All the time? Try New York, Montréal, New Haven, Boston, or any area in July, it's roasting, not cold! lol

"Noisy"? Where do you live, alone in the woods?

"too many people" ah ha one of those hermit types, has to be void of people. Good Lord.

"Close to Canada" I bet you have not set foot in any Provence in Canada either. Correct, be honest, G-d is watching> "Snap judgments" on which topic? You stating you did not like New England but had never been in any portion of New England..ever? Here we go again.

Buffalo, the Civil War is over, the bad guys lost. Lincoln, like a lot of people prior to the Civil War said goofy things he later regressed and reversed his opinion. did he not? You pro-only-South types always feed people this line about the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Such foolishness. mmm. interesting. Ever wonder how slaves felt on these issues? If the South was so great what was the Underground Railroad for?

I am quoting what you said, "It was to get as many black people out of the United States as possible." Is that how you feel today? Truth would be nice.

I wonder how many people you encounter living so far from all the big cities with "too many people" and so "Noisy", which is incredible never being in any of those 'noisy' places in question. "Care for any more?" More of what? The focal view of Southern Baptists? Or your personal opinions?

I am glad I have lived in areas where the people are not all the same.

Do the majority of the people you know share your viewpoints? As I recall Pat Robinson, I am not 100% sure, but I believe I heard him say on TV he was a Southern Baptist, at least he was brought up in that manner. Pat as far as I can recall does not have a problem with other Americans because of their skin colour, nor have I ever heard him state he did not like the geographies of N.E., N.Y. or Canada. In fact I once heard Pat say "what a man harbours in his heart come froth from his mouth". Here it takes the form of the printed word. That goes for me, you and everyone else in the world.

In terms of slavery in the South, since you brought the subject up with all the 'quotes'. The overwhelming majority of people I know fully acknowledge slavery was a curse on the land, and was the root cause of the Civil War and those states promoting this evil were defeated.

Unfortunately defeating an enemy does not alter his thinking, since it took another 100 some years, all the way up to the mid 1960's from the 1860's to fully enforce civil rights laws/voting laws, for all Americans, where they were being denied by blood thirsty savages enveloped in hate. One example of the ongoing hate 100 years after the Civil War was over, is the movie 'Mississippi Burning' among others.

If you have not seen this movie I would be interested in your comments after you do view this film.

In addition the book, 'All on Fire'-'William Lloyd Garrison & the Abolition of Slavery". His great, great grandson happens to be a good friend of mine.

[l8pilot]

Hollywood is actively anti-Southern. What do you expect?