Posted on 09/11/2004 1:11:31 PM PDT by No_Doll_i
Ok yeah it's a vanity but I REALLY think we need to get beyond the forgeries themselves and figure out what the endgame is. There has to be a bigger picture. This was too easily refuted and they had to know it before it was aired.
I have a few theories and a LOT of questions, so bear with me and read on.
Questions:
1. Why was the forgery done in such and amaturerish way? Rather than use MS Word with default setting would it have been better to make a reasonable facsimile using equipment and paper from the era? (This stuff is available)
2. Where did the documents come from? A kerry staffer trying to score points? The DNC? (unlikely) Some rabid lefty from a blog or DU? Hillary? (that is kind of a joke)
3. Who put them in Rather's hands? His daughter? A kerry staffer at the direction of kerry himself? DNC?
4. Why the really really bad job of vetting the documents and ignoring what sources they did speak with? Did they not think the widow, son, Hodges and others they spoke with would not speak up? Did they think the records on who retired (Staudt) when would not be checked?
5. Why did Joe, Paul and Snakehead show up when they did? Damage control in general? To keep the originator shut up? Just intimidation? Did they initiate the documents pr are the damage control team in reaction to them?
6. What did they hope to accomplish with this other than the obvious? Test run to see how solid/rabid the base actually is? How long they could perpetrate the lie? Find out how, who and how long it would take to debunk the thing as a test run for a later date, say 08?
7. Is Rather protecting himself or his daughter and from who or what?
8. Why is McAwful still standing behind this?
9. Did this start out as something they thought they could pull off and get out of control? If so why not cut their losses?
10. Is this a case of premature ejaculation? Would this not be better used as a last minute ploy?
11. Is SeeBS really willing to go in the tank for Rather?
12. Who is being protected and why? Is the real truth that kerry saw and authorized or demanded they get released and the DNC is faced with the prospect as their standard bearer?
I'm thinking beyond the obvious answers here, those are too easy.
Ok that is some of the questions I have and I will not lay out all the theories at the moment lest you think I am some spy novelist wannabe. There are a few people here that know me and know I am not a conspiracy freak or a total nutcase... mass55th, smartaleck, boomop, please speak up if you could.
There has GOT to be a LOT more going on here and with the insight, talent and fertile minds on this site I'm certain we can come up with a lot of it.
Any takers?
I have to agree with you Eggs. CBS claims they spent 6 weeks verifying these documents. According to Gary Killian, CBS spoke to him and his step-mother, and showed them both the documents. We now know that both Gary and his step-mother thought the documents were fakes. We also know that CBS decided not to present any of the comments from either one of them. In addition, we know that CBS failed to pursue the list of people who had worked with Jerry Killian, that his son Gary had provided them. After last night, we know that they did not use a document expert, but a signature expert to verify the authenticity of the documents, and that that signature expert is now saying CBS falsely claimed he'd verified ALL four of the documents when he clearly verified only one. And we even have General Hodges now saying that CBS misinformed him as to the make-up of the documents when they phoned him for his opinion.
I find it amazing that CBS wasn't able to ferret out some of the simple things, like Staudt being retired over a year when the May 4, 1973 memo was written. But then, we know how lazy the MSM can be. In most cases, the laziness is by choice. They just don't want to know. The fact that CBS has chosen to continue with the fraud proves to me that they are in someone's pocket. They have to be. How else can you explain it? Something definitely happened on Thursday within those meetings or Dan wouldn't have been as hoarse as he was last night.
I also agree with DB who says he thinks that the documents were created by someone young, who had no knowledge of using typewriters. They obviously didn't know that Jerry Killian didn't type, so they didn't take into consideration, the fact that back in those days, people made mistakes when they typed, and that those mistakes had to be dealt with...that is, if they were noticed by the typist. Back then, there were always strikeovers, erasures, or the use of correction tape. In many cases, people just typed over the error, or XXXXX'd it out and retyped the word they wanted. How someone that didn't type, was able to produce pristine, error-free documents is beyond me. I couldn't do it on a typewriter today. Hell, I can't even do it on a computer and I've been typing for over 40 years.
We know CBS producer Mary Mapes was involved in both these stories. Some folks and even I immediately thought of Hackworth when mulling who the retired military officer was, but then I discovered that Hackworth had had a problem with CBS a while back over their claiming that he had medals listed on his website that he hadn't earned. It appears to be pay-back by someone, for Hackworth's involvement in the Boorda affair. Rather was involved in this attack on Hackworth as well. Interesting how he went after Hackworth, but shys away from pursuing the medal hoax perpetrated by Kerry. Here's a link to a copy of the letter CBS sent Hackworth about it:
Thanks Neutrino!
Thank you Smartie!
Just thought this was relevant, thanks for the links to the other thread!
And yes I still drink very very good scotch! ;-)
Damn!! No wonder I have not talked to you for a month!!
Will call tomorrow if you will be around!
Does Chris Lehane (or whatever his name is) come to mind?
Have the vets been on CBS???? I don't watch it.
SeeBS has completely ignored the Swifties. I'm shocked I tell you!
I find the physical forgery so blatant that it must be a product of a complete naif -- but what naif would have any reason to go to the trouble of doing this? The spelling is good, and the sentences are reasonably adult in formulation, so I cannot see it being the product of a mere prank of youth.
But, as so many have pointed, who above the age of 30 would possibly have thought this product of Microsoft's Word could be mistaken for normal office memoranda that could be produced with typical 1970s equipment? The individual did not even take the trouble to try to change any of the default settings; surely he must have realized that this could not survive any serious scrutiny.
So I would guess that it must have been done by someone from, say from age 18 to age 30 or so. The individual did go to enough trouble to incorporate non-specious specifics, so this apparently took either some amount of research or personal cognizance.
And finally we have to factor in that CBS is acting very bizarrely in this. Even if Mr. Rather has gone senile, this forgery is brazen in the extreme, and I find him being unable to comprehend this fact unbelievable and simply not credible. The obfuscatory hogwash that he gave when challenged is not, imho, that of just desperate rationalization.
As to what could motivate him I cannot fathom, but it would seem to have been far better for him to simply admit that the documents are obviously forged, apologized for the error, and vowed to find out why he had been gulled. It would be too much to have hoped that he would have resigned in expiation for this, but at least to have admitted it would have shown far more integrity than trying to obfuscate.
I posted on another thread that I thought this was the product of an unsophisticated (but reasonably intelligent)young operative who wanted to impress soembody in the Kerry campaign. The go bewtween the Kerry campaign and seeBS was Rathers daughter. This explains Dan's determination to go to the mat to protect her. Where the real scandal is IMHO is that Kerry himself somehow saw the memos,got involved and directed the release of this amatuer hour production. So once this is all exposed, the DNC is faced with the prospect of the general public realizing that the dems nominated a wackjob. The demo party not only is crooked, but STUPID, a fatal flaw. THAT is the threat, not the fact that Kerry is going down in flames. (just a liddle mo tinfoil 's all) There are other thoeries which also make sense, some are fairly elaborate and Machiavellian. It all depends who is pulling the strings, if anybody at this point.
Yeah, I'll be here.
First and foremost is defense of the country.
I do not believe that Bush is listening about the problems resulting from offshoring American jobs, but there's no way I can vote for Kerry.
I'll continue to voice my opposition to offshoring our jobs, but I will vote for Bush. I will then support candidates like Tom Tancredo, a Republican, who is trying to get something done about offshoring and open borders.
The Democratic Party has no answers and tries to shift the focus away from their man. I would have considered voting for a moderate Democrat, but there obviously aren't any left. The more I heard about Kerry and his sickening Senate testimony during the Vietnam War, the more I disliked the man. I didn't think they could put up someone worse than Clinton, but they certainly managed to.
These people are so arrogant they think they will get away with this fraud. I hope the internet will prove them wrong.
There has been many a thread on offshoring / outsourcing Ive lurked on and wanted to respond. As an engineer who has designed stuff I cant talk about for DOD, I have a vital interest in our long term security, as well as my career.We will address these things again, In due time, in due time. But for now, Kerry must be defeated. In essence, this election is a cultural turning point, it is about far more than the presidency. If the MSM can pull Kerry over the line by hook or by crook, our country as we know it will never be the same. But the power of the internet has arisen to answer that challenge.
In a civil case the plaintiff will have the ability to call witnesses and take testimony. In a government case people can take the fifth, that alone would be great. Dan Rather on the witness stand would be **THE** way to celebrate the end of his miserable career.
Wasn't it eventually shown that Boorda earned his medals too?
Hmm.... Perhaps somebody decided to put the prank documents in a trash can where a 'dumpster diver' could find it? It would seem odd for anyone seeking to destroy documents they didn't want found to leave them in a trash can without shredding them first.
If someone was clueless about superscript ordinals being fishy, that person would have left all of them. If the person realized that they were fishy, the person would have fixed all of them. The use of multiple styles of ordinals which just so happen to correspond with the behavior of a program that wasn't written until the 1990's is so obviously suspicious that it practically has to be deliberate.
Yes, here's a page that offers a bio of Boorda and includes the information over the medal flap, his suicide and its aftermath.
The media downplayed Kerry's Senate testimony at the time. I never heard about it until he ran for President.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that only recently learned about his traitorous behavior to the men serving in VietNam calling them war criminals etc. In fact one of the VietNam POWs only recently found out that John Kerry was the person whose voice was used to torture the POWs.
What John Kerry doesn't realize is that 20 years ago, the left controlled the media, now everyone knows what a traitor he is. And this is mainly thanks to the internet. The liberal press will not cover his traitorous speeches in the congressional record.
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