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The Hobbit Hole XI - No One Admitted Except on Wedding Business!
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Posted on 06/17/2004 7:09:03 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Special Edition...No One Admitted Except on Wedding Business!

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To: Fedora; JenB
LOL- I just read the most marvelous book by one of my most favoritest authors in the whole wide world- Ender's Shadow by Orson Scott Card. He approaches the savant question quite cleverly.
1,581 posted on 06/22/2004 4:24:49 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (God Bless Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Lil'freeper

Is that a sequel to "Ender's Game"? BTW, Card's political columns are also pretty interesting.


1,582 posted on 06/22/2004 4:26:20 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Fedora
Yes it is- and I won't spoil it for you.

But one of the great things about Card is that he understands humans and nature so well. He knows there's no such thing as a free lunch- that there are trade-offs in all things. His main character is a savant of sorts, but there is a price. The result is very compelling, very heartbreaking.

1,583 posted on 06/22/2004 4:30:15 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (God Bless Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Lil'freeper

He does understand human nature well. I have a book he wrote for writers on character development and it's really insightful.


1,584 posted on 06/22/2004 4:33:41 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Fedora
Er, would that be How to Write Science Fiction & Fantasy ?, she typed glancing sheepishly at her own bookshelf.
1,585 posted on 06/22/2004 4:37:26 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (God Bless Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Lil'freeper
I haven't read that one--is it good? This is the one I have:

Orson Scott Card, Characters and Viewpoint (Elements of Fiction Writing)

1,586 posted on 06/22/2004 4:42:11 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Fedora
Huzzah- I don't have that. I should get that.
1,587 posted on 06/22/2004 4:44:37 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (God Bless Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Fedora

Just ordered it.


1,588 posted on 06/22/2004 4:47:29 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (God Bless Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Lil'freeper

It's vey good! :) When you read it let me know what you get out of it. Are you writing anything now?


1,589 posted on 06/22/2004 4:52:37 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Fedora
I haven't read that one--is it good?

I think so. It hits on world building- how to set up the rules for the world and making the rules plausible. He also does a bit on crafting the story and giving the characters the motivation to do the things they do. It's a very small book, but it has a lot in it.

1,590 posted on 06/22/2004 4:53:57 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (God Bless Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Lil'freeper

Cool--I should get that. I think I've seen that in bookstores, actually. On a related subject, Ben Bova also wrote a good book on SF writing which is part of the same series as the other Card book I mentioned.


1,591 posted on 06/22/2004 4:56:13 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Fedora
Are you writing anything now?

I've got outlines, ideas. A paragraph or two here and there. There are three brainstorms in progress: 1) a collection of horrible, twisted fairy tales, 2) a short story about a society based on "blue zone" beliefs and 3) a fantasy-type storiverse which is based on nano-tech. The last is probably stale and cliche at this point. I think #2 has the most potential and is my answer to "What would happen if we just built a wall around the cities and left all the leftists to their own devices?" I've got the major plot points outlined, I'm just struggling with point of view. That and actually *finishing* something. :)

1,592 posted on 06/22/2004 5:00:31 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (God Bless Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: SuziQ

Oh yeah, 3 recipes for 'Kiss Me Not' sandwich, and 2 for 'Mock Cooter Soup'.


1,593 posted on 06/22/2004 5:00:48 PM PDT by My back yard (Many Blessings to the Bride and the Groom!)
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To: Lil'freeper
Isn't How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy by someone else? Checking... oops, no, I was thinking of Writing Science Fiction and Fantasy

The Orson Scott Card one is really good!

1,594 posted on 06/22/2004 5:02:17 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB; Fedora
Here's another one that seems to be in that series:

Beginnings, Middles & Ends (Elements of Fiction Writing) by Nancy Kress

1,595 posted on 06/22/2004 5:05:00 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (God Bless Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Lil'freeper
On story #2 - there's a book I read years ago, a teen fiction, called, I think, The Guardians. I know for sure the author was John Christopher. He has not unsimilar things.

Oh, yeah, and look for any of the following books at the used bookstore: Gladiator-at-Law, The Space Merchants and The Merchants' War. At least the last two are by the second-best SF writing team ever, Fred Pohl and C.M. Kornbluth. The first might be just by Pohl. (first best collaboration is of course Niven and Pournelle)

Say... what are you doing in November?

1,596 posted on 06/22/2004 5:05:02 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Lil'freeper

Actually finishing is a challenge, LOL! I have like 200+ outlines but only about half a dozen complete stories and one semi-complete novella. #1 sounds interesting to me 'cause I like horror stories, as well as that old cartoon "Fractured Fairy Tales" :) Your idea #2 reminds me sort of of the premise of Heinlein's "Coventry", which you might find inspirational if you haven't read it yet. On #3 I'm working on a nano-themed story but have no idea what's already been written--I should probably research that.


1,597 posted on 06/22/2004 5:06:20 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Lil'freeper

"Beginnings, Middles & Ends (Elements of Fiction Writing) by Nancy Kress"

That's one's good, too. Also the Anson Dibell one on plot.


1,598 posted on 06/22/2004 5:07:45 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: JenB

I haven't read any of those [hangs head in SF geek shame] :(


1,599 posted on 06/22/2004 5:08:33 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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Funkle.


1,600 posted on 06/22/2004 5:08:48 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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