[sinkspur]

Miller's not a traitor.

When a guy like Miller comes to Bush late in the game, it's because he's driven there by one issue: terrorism.

He's still going to vote for Bush in the fall. So he disagrees with most of us on one issue or another. I'll bet he's ripping on Kerry for his flip-flops on the war on terror later in the fall.

[Always Right]

Just because Dennis Miller may not agree with you on everything, doesn't make him a closet liberal. I happen to think attacking Kerry on his protesting Vietnam will not be all that damaging, although several of Kerry's quote are over the top and may hurt him (such saying American soldiers murdered 200,000 Vietnamese per year). But where Kerry is gonna get beat will be on his liberal voting record and his liberal stance on the issues. That is where we need to attack Kerry. Trying to link Kerry to Fonda won't win one vote, IMHO.

[Mr. Mojo]

Kerry should be in prison, and I'm almost inclined to say that Miller ought to be sharing his cell.

Then you're inclined toward lunacy.

[dware]

Kerry can say whatever the heck he pleases, IMHO.

Like the rest of us, he must also pay the consequences.

I think his post-Vietnam activities & statements will haunt him, though not as much as I would like to see happen.

[small voice in the wilderness]

FERPETE'SSAKE, calm down. Dennis Miller is a newborn baby to conservative ideas. You don't feed a newborn steak, do ya? Give him time. Let him grown some teeth. It's enough for me that he's taking the baby steps.

[Pukin Dog]

If the political season is going to create such irrational thoughts in you, I would suggest you sit this one out.

No one should be in jail for their opinions alone.

[HHFi]

I saw Dennis Miller on Jay Leno's show, saying that he wouldn't vote for Kerry, but he wouldn't say anything negative about anybody who had put on the uniform and served under fire. He said he thought the way returning Vietnam vets were treated was one of the greatest shames in American history, so he won't go after Kerry on his war record, even though he certainly doesn't want him to be president. I may disagree with him on what should be fair game politically, but his reasoning sounds to me like he's just erring on the side of being too respectful of veterans, which is hardly a liberal trait.

[Mudcat]

That is simply utter garbage by a closet liberal.

Miller is actually what many call a Jeffersonian or Classic Liberal: very liberal on social issues, very conservative on fiscal issues and national strength.

As a veteran who served 8 years active duty, I'm also inclined to believe that Kerry has earned the right to support whatever political position he desires - even utter, complete lunacy. It's his privilege, he earned it.

Of course, it's everyone else's right (and perhaps duty) to ignore Kerry's hard-earned lunacy :))

[BellStar]

I hate to say this but a lot of Navy Guy's turn Liberal (Not All) don't flame me please I'm a service brat myself. Jimmy Carter most notable, famous spy's and other famous liberal were ex-Navy.

[Athwart]

Tonight my hypothesis has been confirmed as I'm sitting hear watching Dennis Miller argue on his CNBC show that it is "dirty" to go after Kerry for his post vietnam treason agains the United States. He's arguing that Kerry should be given a free pass to say whatever he wanted after the war since he had served.

Miller has a point. Kerry earned the right to say what he likes about Vietnam, in a way that few fellow protesters did. The fellow veterans he slandered may have something to say about it, but those of us who have not served have little standing. I think it would be unwise for Republicans to make too much of the point; it has high backfire potential. The man served, and that counts for a lot; I believe that that's how many voters will see it when such attacks are made.

Besides, it's unnecessary. His record in the Senate offers plenty of campaign fodder, and it's entirely fair game.

[MinuteGal]

Steady as she goes, folks. Many of your balloons may be pricked in the months ahead.

Mike Wallace's bambino editorialized on Fox today that folks shouldn't go back and castigate Kerry for what he did and said years ago. Right you are, Charlie! Yeah!

Don't have false hopes that all these so-called "conservative" talking heads and entertainers will remain firm in view of the upcoming and ongoing Bush-butchering. Especially the newly-minted conservatives who are more conservative in our eyes and hopes than in their own.

Leni

[NewRomeTacitus]

Miller was inundated by New York and Saturday Night Live crew’s opinions for many years until he got married and had children. Moving on with real responsibilities made him rethink everything he had taken for granted. Getting around “flyover America” with Monday Night Football helped him tremendously. Now feeling settled he seems to be striving for the edginess he once had back in his HBO Special days at the expense of common sensibilities. Am I defending him? No! Blast him when he’s wrong. God gave him an amazing wit. Criticism made him strive to improve during the MNF stint and he apparently needs feedback to shore up his lack of sensitivity to what’s important to average Americans.

Kerry, now, should be testing hemp products. As in pounds per square inch stress versus length.

[Jaysun]

I always thought that Dennis Miller was a fairweather conservative who touted conservative values when he needed to turn around his sagging career.

I don't buy it. In my opinion, liberalism is like a cancer. Sometimes there are small traces left behind by Dr. Decency which must be removed later. That isn't the same as full blown liberalism.

[quantim]

He too is a traitor to this country.

Not so fast.  Comparing Miller to Kerry is not gel.  Miller certainly is provocative but if anything he can give a mushie a spark.  Remember Geraldo defending Clinton?  After 9/11 he is now going into Iraq (3rd tour) border to border and will be promoting the troops and the GOOD news in Iraq and we hope he comes back alive.  I recall Geraldo when joining FNC that he had changed since 9/11.  He has proven that smart people do change.  Miller simply sorts the dopes from the intellects.

[Big Guy and Rusty 99]

Dennis Miller never said he was a liberal. Neither did John Stossell or Bernie Goldberg. They just agree with us on a lot of things. Miller is a hawk as far as the war on terrorism goes, he also believes in borders and language. I have been watching his new show at MSNBC, I have to say that having David Horowitz on his pannel gives him a lot of cred. So to make a short story long: he never said he was a coservative and just because he doesn't agree with you does not make him liberal.

[HangThemHigh]

I don't completely agree with you that Miller is a closet liberal, but I am highly suspicious of anyone who suddenly changes sides. In my experience such a person is almost always either insincere or unstable.

Maybe he was pretending to be a liberal too, I don't know, but I don't really trust him. I am willing to give Dennis a chace and check back later.

[alisasny]

He's arguing that Kerry should be given a free pass to say whatever he wanted after the war since he had served.

I agree with this sentiment for a private citizen, not an elected official. It ought have disqualified him from any elected position involving national security. Frankly this is just the tip of the iceberg and now we get to go through his extensive record serving Mass.

[Fedora]

Miller's comments on that made me angry, too--I had watched every show up to then and cut him a lot of slack, but when he said that I turned the TV off in disgust and wasn't planning on watching again. However I knew he was going to have Scott Ritter on tonight and I wanted to see how he handled that, and I thought he redeemed himself pretty well--anyone else see it? He really took the wind out of Ritter's sails, I thought. My impression was that Ritter was trying to avoid Dennis' questions by using them as excuses to go into pre-rehearsed rants, but Dennis caught him off-guard by cutting into his rants with some pointed comebacks that Ritter wasn't prepared to answer. I'll give him another chance, though he does irritate me with some of his more liberal comments. Hopefully Ann Coulter will set him straight on some things :)

[RightWhale]

Bush supporters are hardly a monolithic bloc. This kind of vanity thread is something Moby would like.

[Sloth]

I don't think Miller even claims to be a real conservative. But anyway, Kerry's voting record and modern statements are at least as treasonous as anything he did thirty years ago.