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Gibson to Delete a Scene in 'Passion'
NY Times ^ | February 4, 2004 | SHARON WAXMAN

Posted on 02/03/2004 6:39:38 PM PST by AgThorn

LOS ANGELES, Feb. 3 — Mel Gibson, responding to focus groups as much as to protests by Jewish critics, has decided to delete a controversial scene about Jews from his film, "The Passion of the Christ," a close associate said today.

A scene in the film, in which the Jewish high priest Caiaphas calls down a kind of curse on the Jewish people by declaring of the Crucifixion, "His blood be on us and on our children," will not be in the movie's final version, said the Gibson associate, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The passage had been included in some versions of the film that were shown before select groups, mostly of priests and ministers.

"It didn't work in the focus screenings," the associate said. "Maybe it was thought to be too hurtful, or taken not in the way it was intended. It has been used terribly over the years."

Jewish leaders had warned that the passage from Matthew 27:25 was the historic source for many of the charges of deicide and Jews' collective guilt in the death of Jesus.

Mr. Gibson's decision to remove the scene could indicate that he was being responsive to concerns of Jewish groups that the film will fuel anti-Semitism. Mr. Gibson was the co-writer, director, producer and financier of the $25 million film, which will be released in more than 2,000 theaters on Feb. 25, Ash Wednesday.

Mr. Gibson also responded to a letter from Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, who had requested a meeting and asked Mr. Gibson to consider a postscript that would "implore your viewers to not let the movie turn some toward a passion of hatred."

Mr. Gibson did not respond to those requests directly, writing only: "I hope and I pray that you will join me in setting an example for all of our brethren; that the truest path to follow, the only path, is that of respect and, most importantly, that of love for each other despite our differences."

Mr. Foxman responded in turn on Monday that "your words do not mitigate our concerns about the potential consequences of your film — to fuel and legitimize anti-Semitism."

This reporter was shown a two-hour version of the R-rated movie this week. The film features agonizing passages as Jesus, played by Jim Caviezel, is mercilessly beaten by Jewish and then Roman guards, and jeered and hounded by a Jewish mob on his way to his Crucifixion. It is unclear how close this version is to Mr. Gibson's final film.

In this version, the Roman leader Pontius Pilate is depicted as being reluctant to harm Jesus, who Pilate's wife warns is holy. Largely to mollify a restive Jewish mob outside his window, Pilate agrees to a severe lashing and scourging of Jesus, but the crowd and the high priest demand more.

Pilate says in Latin: "Ecce homo" — "Behold the man" — displaying the broken and bleeding Jesus to the crowd. But the high priest insists, in Aramaic, "Crucify him." Pilate responds, "Isn't this enough?" The mob roars, "No," and only then does the Roman leader agree to the Crucifixion.

Because passion plays historically preceded outbreaks of anti-Semitic violence in Europe, the film passage is a particularly sensitive matter with Jewish groups at a time when anti-Semitism is on the rise in parts of Europe, the Middle East and Asia.

But Mr. Gibson further raised hackles among Jewish leaders in an exclusive interview by the writer Peggy Noonan published in the March issue of Reader's Digest.

Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, accused Mr. Gibson of insensitivity when he compared Jewish suffering in the Holocaust to that of millions of others who died in the war.

Ms. Noonan, a former speechwriter for President Ronald Reagan, asked Mr. Gibson about his father, a conservative Catholic who was quoted in a New York Times Magazine article last March as denying that Holocaust took place. Mr. Gibson answered that he loved his father. Ms. Noonan insisted: "You're going to have to go on record. The Holocaust happened, right?"

Mr. Gibson responded: "I have friends and parents of friends who have numbers on their arms. The guy who taught me Spanish was a Holocaust survivor. He worked in a concentration camp in France. Yes of course. Atrocities happened. War is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps. Many people lost their lives. In the Ukraine several million starved to death between 1932 and 1933. During the last century 20 million people died in the Soviet Union."

In a letter to Mr. Gibson, Rabbi Hier wrote: "We are not engaging in competitive martyrdom, but in historical truth. To describe Jewish suffering during the Holocaust as `some of them were Jews in concentration camps' is an afterthought that feeds right into the hands of Holocaust deniers and revisionists."

Mr. Gibson's spokesman, Alan Nierob, denied that the director was looking to further inflame those leaders.

"There's no doubt in my mind that not only does he know the Holocaust and acknowledge it, he has shed tears over it, with me," he said.

Rabbi Hier responded that Mr. Gibson missed a chance to reduce the tension with Jewish groups. "I think he was lobbed an easy question. He could've used the occasion to take us on a different road, instead he marginalized the Holocaust, he diluted its significance, and it's a lie," he said. "Either he is very ignorant of sensitivities in Jewish communities of riling survivors, those who have lost loved ones, or he is doing it deliberately."

Mr. Foxman also protested Mr. Gibson's remark on the Holocaust. "At the very least it was ignorant, at the very most its insensitive. And you know what? He doesn't get that either. He doesn't begin to understand the difference between dying in a famine and people being cremated solely for what they are."


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That's a shame ... the scene is very biblical.

Matthew 27
23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. 24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. 25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. 26 Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

1 posted on 02/03/2004 6:39:39 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
Mel's comment is, of course, correct. Millions were killed b/c of Nazi racism; some of whom were Jews in concentration camps. How can he "marginalize" the Holocaust by noting that Jews were among the "untermenschen" killed by the Nazis. It would seem that Rabbi Hier is the Holocaust denier.
2 posted on 02/03/2004 6:43:08 PM PST by sobieski
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To: AgThorn
They don't want to know the truth because the TRUTH (JESUS) will set them free. Jesus said:"I'm the Way, the Truth and the Light....."
3 posted on 02/03/2004 6:44:46 PM PST by Lily4Jesus
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To: Lily4Jesus
Sounds like a bunch of people didn't believe in him. And they were alive when he was walking the earth. His miracles must not have seemed as miraculous to some...
4 posted on 02/03/2004 6:48:14 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: AgThorn
It will be put in on the DVD. Director's cut.
5 posted on 02/03/2004 6:54:59 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AgThorn
This is so sad...bending to the whims of the Christian-hating bigot: Foxman.
6 posted on 02/03/2004 6:56:45 PM PST by madison10
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To: AgThorn
This is pretty sad.

I had hoped that Mel would tell Foxman and the ADL where to stuff it. But apparantly, he has knuckled under.

I repeat my contention that Foxman and the ADL have done more damage to Judeo-Christian relations with their showboating and disruptive criticisms of Mel and this movie than anything the movie itself could have done.

I guess we can hope that Mel will release his "Director's Cut" of the film later and we can see it all as he intended on VHS or DVD sometime in the future.
7 posted on 02/03/2004 7:00:18 PM PST by Ronin (When the fox gnaws -- Smile!!!)
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To: AgThorn
"Mr. Gibson also responded to a letter from Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, who had requested a meeting and asked Mr. Gibson to consider a postscript that would 'implore your viewers to not let the movie turn some toward a passion of hatred.'"

Hatred of Jews, because they condemned a Jew.

"King of the Jews" - Yeshua H'Messiah - who called Himself the "son of man"
8 posted on 02/03/2004 7:01:58 PM PST by unspun (The uncontextualized life is not worth living. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: AgThorn
He doesn't begin to understand the difference between dying in a famine and people being cremated solely for what they are."

It's Foxman who doesn't get the similarity of millions of victims of deliberate political murder in the Stalinist terror famine, as well as the Gulag, to the Nazis' deliberate political murder of millions in concentration camps.

9 posted on 02/03/2004 7:02:43 PM PST by Argus
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To: sobieski
I believe the context is important. Gibron was essentially asked to refute his father's denial.
Gibson chose to give a general answer, that is true, but did not satisfy many.

I don't give a wit about the ante-deluvian views of Hutton Gibson. The only issue for me was the report that Gibson drew not only from the Gospels, but also from the anti-Semitic visions of Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich.
10 posted on 02/03/2004 7:08:22 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: Ronin
Foxman would love a backlash.
11 posted on 02/03/2004 7:09:02 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: sobieski
"I have friends and parents of friends who have numbers on their arms. The guy who taught me Spanish was a Holocaust survivor. He worked in a concentration camp in France. Yes of course. Atrocities happened. War is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps. Many people lost their lives. In the Ukraine several million starved to death between 1932 and 1933. During the last century 20 million people died in the Soviet Union."

Mel's answer was a politician's spinmiesterly obfuscation. Instead of directly answering the question, he danced around it. The simple and respectful answer would have been a simple "yes, their was a holocost of the Jews". To say that "some of them were Jews" begs the argument, "how many?" This is a public relations nightmare. That is why he is deleting scenes, apologizing, agonizing, and speechifying. It is only going to get worse for him.

To all manner of Christians, he is a new hero. To the Jews, he is now a bigot. To the secular people in America, middle of the road folks, he is now suspect of being an extremist possibly to be shunned. He is big box office and I am sure, from his management, to the studios that bankroll him, they wondering if he is hurting his box office take. Look for more "interviews" and "statements" and "ecumenical meetings". It is already boring.

12 posted on 02/03/2004 7:11:51 PM PST by Nachum
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To: AgThorn
To describe Jewish suffering during the Holocaust as `some of them were Jews in concentration camps' is an afterthought that feeds right into the hands of Holocaust deniers and revisionists."

Isn't it also revisionism to ignore all others, besides the Jews, who died in the Nazi blood bath as if only Jews were Nazi victims?

Forty million people died in Europe during World War II because of the Nazis.

The other 34 million deserve a little bit of attention every now and then.......if it's not too Politically Incorrect.

13 posted on 02/03/2004 7:12:43 PM PST by Polybius
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To: rmlew
Of course he would. Anything to keep the pot bubbling. Controversy means publicity and publicity means more air time for him and his fellow yammerheads and more contributions -- which is the name of his game.
14 posted on 02/03/2004 7:13:48 PM PST by Ronin (When the fox gnaws -- Smile!!!)
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To: rmlew
I don't give a wit about the ante-deluvian views of Hutton Gibson. The only issue for me was the report that Gibson drew not only from the Gospels, but also from the anti-Semitic visions of Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich.

Gibson certainly seems conflicted over the Jewish issue. He is defensive and coy in his responses.

Foxman and Hier will never be satisfied, but repudiating his father in no uncertain terms would go a long way to resolve this.

He did not do that.

15 posted on 02/03/2004 7:16:31 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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I am rather disappointed in Freepers.....that the deletion of one scene somehow is caving in and giving in to his critics.

Yeah, one scene will be deleted, but big deal. It is not an essential part of the scene though it is Scriptural.

Some folks on here get upset over anything...

It is just one scene we are talking about here, not two, not three, just one minor scene.
16 posted on 02/03/2004 7:17:20 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: AgThorn
That's a shame ... the scene is very biblical

No it is not. The way Gibson intended to show it was not true to the Gospel of Matthew. He was having Caiaphas say the words rather than the crowd.

Apparently, being true to the Gospels is secondary. Showing the Jews as villians is the important thing. As long as the Jews are shown as villians, it does not really matter if the scene is an accurate portrayal of the Gospel, eh?

17 posted on 02/03/2004 7:17:53 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: AgThorn
Unfortunately this won't appease them.

I learned at a younger age learned not to turn and run from an angry dog, or the animal will be emboldened to attack you. I learned much later in life not to run from bears in the wild for the same reason. Finally I have learned in a career of public policy, when you back down in the face of criticism, your enemies will still pursue you to the death.

I can guarantee that the criticism of Gibson and his fine work will only become MORE shrill.

19 posted on 02/03/2004 7:19:31 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: sinkspur
Foxman and Hier will never be satisfied, but repudiating his father in no uncertain terms would go a long way to resolve this.
He did not do that.

I agree 100%.
The problem is that many people do not understand this distinction.
20 posted on 02/03/2004 7:20:09 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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