Posted on 01/16/2004 8:25:04 AM PST by brewcrew
Five days after the Packers bowed out of the playoffs in frustrating fashion, Ed Donatell was fired as the team's defensive coordinator. Tight ends coach Jeff Jagodzinski was also let go. Story to come
If you can do that with 8 sacks, how many do you need? Sixteen?
And how exactly did the Packers get into the playoffs? Arizona. 4th & 25. McCown completes a 28 yard touchdown pass to beat the Vikings.
Kinda fitting that they get knocked out on a 28 yard McNabb completion on 4th & 26, if you ask me. Live by the 4th & Forever, die by the 4th & Forever...
7 INT's against the Rams in '01, 2 against the Falcons in '02.
But it's some sort of fluke when he throws one under a rush against the Eagles.
Philadelphia was undermanned in this game, the Packers had superior athletic matchups on the field, given all the Eagles injuries to key players. The Eagles prevailed because Andy Reid has the best coaching staff in the NFL and three of the best playmakers in McNabb, Dawkins and Akers. Reid and Marty Mohrninwig both COACHED Favre in Green Bay, Johnson is one of the best ... yet the Packers moved the ball with impunity. Because Brett's passing threat and audible skill set up all the Green runs and downfield passing.
The Packers were outcoached last Sunday. That's a defecit that the Panthers will have to overcome as well. The Eagles run will likely end at SuperBowl MMMMXXXCIIII to the 10th power, when they run into an equally well coached Bill Belicheck team that is healthy.
In other words: The Packers were SCREWED! ;^)
Favre would have won as many, or more, championships as any QB in history had he been surrounded with the annual, unchanging supporting cast talent that the QBs of the pre-free agency 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s like Unitas, Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana and Elway enjoyed. The rosters of those talented teams remained unchanged for eight to ten years at a time. Let's see Montana, Staubach, Marino, Unitas and Elway throw to Bill Schroeder, Antonio Freeman, Robert Brooks, Corey Bradford, Derrick Mayes, Bubba Franks and Robert Ferguson throughout his career and rack up the numbers Favre has. Behind a OL that has been fully replaced three times over. With no running game until Ahman Green in 2000.
Brett is a constant great in the new era. He wins two out of three games he plays, for 13 years running. Let's keep our eyes on Manning, McNabb, Vick and all the rest and see how they hold up as they lead teams sporting new receivers, linemen, RBs and coaching schemes every three or four years.
Favre is better than every other QB but Elway and Unitas.
Man that's really weak.
To the contrary, it’s entirely spot on.
Hiding behind a pen, microphone or keyboard & criticizing the performance of another is a far easier task than to step up and affect the performance itself. Especially when one has envy & jealousy along as henchmen.
Perhaps that is lost on you. So be it.
And I don't care what formula you're using to put Moon and Tarkenton at the top of alltimers, but that's weak too.
Your lack of analytical skill and resourcefulness is glaringly obvious.
The only “formula” required was the ability to observe and quote from the list of NFL career leaders under the category of Passing Yards. I simply noted the only four players who have thrown for more yards.
And since you conveniently evaded the only question I posed to you, I’ll ask it one more time:
Who resides in the all time "upper tier" by your standards, and how did they earn that status?
And I’ll add this one:
What factors are applied in determining the low end cut off to your All Time Upper Tier list?
A well thought out response would be appreciated, but certainly isn’t expected.
what I mean is that given many offensive formations and shifts, the DT can only reasonably be expected to hold his own and allow the linebacker(s) to make tackles.
If that book is where you got all your football knowledge
it was actually a suggestion for YOU - now beat it, loser.
I'm a big, big Vinny fan, but he should not be in the hall. and neither should ANY player be in there based solely on numbers, individual records excepted. (lies, damn lies, statistics, etc.) The standards for the HoF in respective sports are WAY too low.
statistics need to be put into context. testaverde, as much as I like him, never won a big game; the biggest he played in was at Denver in the (1998?) AFC title game. longevity doesn't make you great or representative. it just makes you old.
but I digress; my gripe was with your "affirmative action" comment, which was, at best, immature, at worst, racist.
everyone loves a gunslinger, but last I checked, the last three champs (tampa, new england, baltimore) were defense-oriented.
don't forget, guys named dilfer, brady, and hostetler have as many superbowl wins as brett favre.
this isn't to say they're his equal, but if favre doesn't win in 1997, he's accomplished about as much in the postseason as, say, randall cunningham.
but it was silly of me to think the idol worship would end when he lost a playoff game in Bobby Hebert fashion.
even if the eagles lose on sunday, mcnabb led a bunch of role-players farther this year than brett favre has led decent stars in the past 5 years.
well, a few things...
(1) way too much is being made of the McNabb injury. yes, it was a cheap shot, but even if a flag had been thrown, or even if it didn't happen altogether, the Eagles didn't give themselves a chance to win for the following reasons...
(2) the wideouts either need to be more physical, or get replaced with wideouts who are willing to be. the first pick was a result of pinkston running the wrong route, so he wasn't in position to prevent the INT, but on the Thrash play, you've gotta hang onto that ball, and on the sideline Thrash play, he's gotta turn his head around and look for that ball.
(3) the offensive line played abysmally. williams, thomas, and fraley got their lunches handed to them, especially on that textbook stunt the panthers run so well.
(4) brian dawkins needs to play like a big-time player in big-time games. the delhomme TD pass was in the air far too long for him not to make a play on it. period.
(5) andy reid never got over his grudge with duce staley. correll buckhalter just didn't bring much to the table yesterday. yes, the eagles missed westbrook, but if they can get by the packers without him, they should have gotten by the panthers. staley was the most motivated individual player on the field, and with the expection of one early drop, he was playing like it. if someone's hungry, feed them.
(6) with the exception of four or five tackling breakdowns (you'd think simoneau only has one arm by the way he played yesterday, the eagles' defense played their style of game - i.e. give up yards, but not a lot of points. they played well enough to win that game, limiting the panthers to 14 points (on a day when the offense committed 4 turnovers).
(7) the coaches don't get a pass overall, however, I felt the playcalling was marginally better than last year's NFC title game. I counted eight flat-out DROPS from my vantage point, and when offensive guard bobby williams has as many catches as the two starting wideouts COMBINED, that's not going to get you to the superbowl. the plays were called, but the players didn't make plays. it's great that todd pinkston has nice hands, but he's gotta be able to catch footballs that hit him in other body parts. rumor has it he called his barbershop today for a cut and they told him not to come in. kind of silly to let ANYONE hear his head with a pair of scissors today, if you ask me.
(8) koy detmer played a gutsy game. while he looked like a deer in the headlights on TV, we've gotta consider the situation he was thrust into.
even if the birds had somehow pulled that one out, there's no way they could have beaten new england with that kind of performance.
(9) brandon whiting needs to be more of a force at defensive end. with a lot of action coming his way, for him to make just one tackle and get no pressure on an immobile QB is unacceptable.
(10) speaking of unacceptable, todd pinkston's post-game comments would be enough to have me screaming for him to be cut if the signing bonus wouldn't impact the salary cap.
(11) if any long-tem silver lining can come out of this, it was nice to see McNabb finally holding people accountable and getting in their faces for not doing their job. being a nice guy is great, but it's time he took people to the woodshed when they screw up. unfortunately, it was too little, too late.
so now that the season has ended for the big mean black quarterback who was too much of a man to take rush limbaugh's bait, the racists among us can get back to having brett make them sweat.
the above was off-the-cuff, and I may have missed a few things. in fact, coming to mind now is the special teams of the panthers, who played an excellent game with the one exception of kickoff coverage. but I think I got most of my main thoughts down.
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