KOBE: MANIC SEX FUELED MY ACCUSER

nypost ^ | 1-14-04 | BARRY BORTNICK

[Jimmyclyde]

January 14, 2004 -- DENVER, Colo. - Kobe Bryant's accuser allegedly suffers from bipolar disorder - and may have been in such a "manic state" at the time of the reputed attack that it boosted her sex drive and willingness to bed someone, the defense is charging. The basketball star's legal team, in court papers released yesterday, quotes John Ray Strickland, one of the accuser's ex-love as saying she is bipolar.

[cjshapi]

In my case everything was just a flatline. I had a difficult time being happy or upset. I was much like a zombie, just plodding thru life. Now I even find myself singing with the car radio, much to the dismay of anyone around me when my windows are down. As I did some research on the family it turns out that depression runs rampant on both the maternal and paternal sides.

And luckily for me I don't suffer ANY of the side effects of Zoloft that are common.

[realpatriot71]

I think they actually did more harm, since it made me unable to try to keep my family together. I think the doctors saw my insurance card, and kept racking up the bill and playing CYA.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience. It must have been very trying and confusing time in you life, and you might be right about the Doc's abusing your insurance card. Unfortunately, not every doc is a moral person.

SSRI's of which prozac is a memeber tend to work quite well in people generalized anxiety, but there are always exceptions. Some people actually need someone to talk to (not necessarily a therapist) instead of drugs.

How are things now? (If you don't mind my asking)

[Howlin]

I think they had consenual sex and something happened later to alter her perception of it; whether it was getting caught by her BF, the bellhop, or buyer's remorse, we'll never know.

She herself said that when she told him to stop, he did.

[realpatriot71]

In my case everything was just a flatline. I had a difficult time being happy or upset. I was much like a zombie, just plodding thru life. Now I even find myself singing with the car radio, much to the dismay of anyone around me when my windows are down. As I did some research on the family it turns out that depression runs rampant on both the maternal and paternal sides.

I'm glad to hear that you got help. It's amazing how the pathologically negative self-talk disappears on these drugs. I have no idea why a lowered amount of neurotransmitters in the brain, makes the brain tell you you're worthless, but it does. People who've never been depressed do not understand this phenomenon, nor do they know how amazing it is to wake up one morning and FINALLY feel something, anything without any of the negative self-talk. They're lucky.

It looks like you have a lot of insight into your condition now, which is good. Depression does tend to run in families - no one knows why. In the future do not hesitate to seek help if you begin to feel worthless again because most people who've sought help for depression once in their lives, will do so again. If you're handling the drug fine, perhaps you could talk with your Doc about staying on it for good.

[FITZ]

I don't think she denies that consensual sex either does she? And that he stopped when she told him.

I suppose it could get into how much consent a mentally ill woman just like a mentally slow woman can actually give. When a woman presents herself at your hotel room --- most likely she is a nutcase but that would apply to most one-night stands between strangers --- how well could you know the stranger to know what their mindset is and if they're capable of decision making?

[cyncooper]

Should he have been accused of rape because he didn't?

Two answers, yet to be determined which is correct:

No, not if he didn't rape her.

Yes, if he did.

[af_vet_1981]

I think he might be guilty. I also think her story is full of holes. Most rape victims are in shock and don't go to parties within days, etc. There are a lot of things about her behavior that leads one to believe she was not a true rape victim...just a victim of her own stupidity. I'm no basketball fan, and couldn't have picked KB out of a lineup of other basketball players. At the same time, before I send a man down the river, I want to kown beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty. As far as I can tell RIGHT NOW, he's guilty of being a jerk and adulterer. Last I checked, those weren't felonies.

This is exactly what Bill Clinton supporters said when Juanita Broaddrick accused him of rape.

[FITZ]

I have a friend that was in a situation like that --- only he hadn't even asked for a divorce --- his wife was mentally unstable for some time and in an argument, she began beating on him --- he was scratched and bruised and bleeding, she had no marks on her, the neighbors called the police and even though they could see a petite woman suddenly claim she was being beaten --- but with no marks and a 6 foot man so they put the handcuffs on him. Luckily for him the wife quickly changed her mind within hours and went to the jail to get him out and then claimed he didn't really beat her.

[gathersnomoss]

Where is your head? If over 50% of the marraiges here in the US end in divorce, many of which are due to sorted affairs, it seems the norm is the case here. Move on, nothing to see here except another destroyed family!

[Smogger]

You will either stay married to me, or I'll put you in jail." I heard her say this; I told the magistrate what I heard; and he told me that even though he didn't believe her, it doesn't matter: once SHE makes the charge, he is REQUIRED to issue a warrant, even in the face of evidence proving she is lying.

You didn't know this. It's amazing how many people act suprised at how the law in this country works. Mandatory sentencing, zero-tolerances, etc have removed all discretion from prosecutor's and judges. If a woman makes an abuse charge against a man NOT EVEN SHE CAN RETRACT IT. Isn't this what everybody wanted when conservatives joined forces with femenists to pass these stupid laws?

No?

Too bad.

[holdmuhbeer]

Damn, I'm going to get my wife some of that stuff. hehehehehe

[#3Fan]

Reading the thread, I see that if the sleazy lawyer says two drugs cause uncontrollable sex drive, the sycophants eat it up without questioning it. Now they are saying that she was delusional. They don't even check for themslselves whether sleazy Mackey is correct about what she said about two prescription drugs. lol

[P.O.E.]

Everything's fine now, thanks.

As much as I like to think I could've kept my family together without the drugs, I think a lot of my well-being now is not having to deal with the ex (a very stress-inducing person, to say the least: I always say I could do two shows a day in Vegas on my ex- and ex-mother-in-law).

I also must give credit where credit is due. After time, I sincerely asked for forgiveness to all involved, and later met a good woman. So, as I also always say, thanks to the intercession of saints and the love of a good woman.

But the point I was trying to make is the negative effects in my case are probably not in the data, given doctors' inherent reporting bias.

[KellyAdmirer]

I'm no longer sure what your argument is. Was she drugged up and sexually out of control? Or was she a coldly calculating, vicious gold-digging schemer who concocted a wild rape-charge plan in the half hour after she learned the guy was staying in her hotel?

Btw, if his defense is that she was mentally incompetent, and this means she was unable to give valid consent, he goes straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

I will wait for the trial before drawing any final conclusions, that is what having an open mind is all about. Obsessing over this thing isn't going to solve it.

[Howlin]

Luckily for him the wife quickly changed her mind within hours and went to the jail to get him out and then claimed he didn't really beat her.

You know it doesn't work like that in North Carolina; now when the phone call is made, the police take over, and even if the woman says it was a mistake, the guy is still charged. "They" say that a woman can be intimidated into changing her mind, so they just assume the man is guilty.

[realpatriot71]

But the point I was trying to make is the negative effects in my case are probably not in the data, given doctors' inherent reporting bias.

You probably have a valid point here. Most of the data that physicians use on the side effects of drugs comes from the phamaceutical trials (printed in drugs text books), not annectdotal cases, so because of this you're right, some people could have some rather unfortunate experiences.

[Howlin]

Smogger, I did not know that -- and I am a court reporter; I don't work in DV, but still, I had no clue!

I was stunned; I got so upset watching the little cult of women -- and yes, it was ALL women and just him in the courtroom -- that I had to leave for fear of blowing up and making the situation worse!

And have you actually read the rape laws in Colorado? Even if he cops a plea, he has to ADMIT AND DESCRIBE how he "raped" her.....even if he didn't do it --- and if the judge isn't satisfied with his "description" and even if the DA has agreed to probation, the judge can send him straight to jail.

He would not be allowed to live with his OWN child and he would have to register as a sex offender in every town he traveled to.

Plus he would have to submit to a penile "lie detector" where they put some kind of electrodes on his penis and show him porno movies and if he gets an erection -- straight to jail for him!

It's barbaric!

And all the more reason to be POSITIVE that she is telling the truth; the only way to know that is to see HER medical records.

[wardaddy]

It's that way everywhere now I think.

If the woman rightly or wrongly accuses the man....it will make it to the prosecutors at a minimum.

I have read that here in Nashville they send a female cops abuse squad to arrest men accused as such. I suppose they think that would have some psychological effect on the alleged perp.