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Please let me know of other movies that illustrate this point - and also those movies that are the stellar exceptions (the latest is Luther, and perhaps, Master and Commander).

That all said, I do recommend a movie that flies in the face of all this: A Perfect World: Clint Eastwood flick.

1 posted on 12/02/2003 1:45:15 PM PST by gobucks
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SABRINA: A Harrison Ford remake that’s very popular with typical “modern” women.

Your mistake was in watching the remake. Julia Ormond is no Audrey Hepburn, and the plot of the original didn't involve the older male lead getting "saved". Could you imagine Bogart saying "save me".

2 posted on 12/02/2003 1:48:46 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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Trinity (Trinity? Gimme a break!) a raving beauty who asserted earlier that she is the "ranking officer", leans over and says he can’t be dead, because he is the “man” she is in love with (the first time he is referred to as a “man”)

Look, I loved the Matrix films, but take Carrie Anne Moss out of all that Matrix leather, and she is a real mutt. Far from a raving beauty.

3 posted on 12/02/2003 1:49:29 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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Wow did you ever miss the point of Fight Club. The whole complaint of the movie was how men are being womanized and not allowed to become men in a female dominated society, it isn't until he the final leap to destroy himself that he can actually love the woman (remember the halves of his personality either hate her or lust after her, love isn't in the equation).

On the other hand my youngest aunt always said you're not really a man until you make a woman miserable.
4 posted on 12/02/2003 1:50:05 PM PST by discostu (that's a waste of a perfectly good white boy)
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Things That The Hero In A Chick Flick Must Do:
16 posted on 12/02/2003 2:51:20 PM PST by martin_fierro (_____oooo_(_°_¿_°_)_oooo_____)
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Here are a few more examples of exceptions ...

Ever seen "Notting Hill", with Hugh Grant and Julia Robert? He is not redeemed by "she" ... more the other way around. She is influenced by his steadiness.

And what about "Titanic" ... again "her" life is influenced by his character, his steadiness. (Of course, if she had kept her rear end in that lifeboat instead of being totally irrational, maybe he could have gotten to float on the door and live happily ever after with her, but I digress.)

And one more ... what about "An Officer and a Gentleman". She sure isn't carrying him at the end.

In my observation, there are very few "chick flicks" that are exceptions to your "Hollywood Bias" rule. And sadly, a lot of movies directed at teens/kids are going that direction too.
20 posted on 12/02/2003 3:21:59 PM PST by bluebox
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redemption of a man by a woman? It is a theme as old as Beauty and the beast (a retelling of the story Psyche and Cupid, that goes back about 3000 years)...sorry, but this story is universal, not hollywood (the most amusing rewrite of this old story is an Atlantic Monthly article about how Syria deprogrammed some young terrorists by marrying them off and getting them a job...)

The main problem with OUR society is that we have degraded sex, so promiscuity is promoted as "better" than living with the same woman who you love and cherish...
However, the last step in domestication is marriage and family. Many "wild" men learn to control their wilder impulses with the love of a good woman...

Alas, nowadays too many lack both the responsible role model, and women don't bother to make the sacrifices worth settling down to raise a family...

Oh: The "braveheart" romance was based on the old poem about Wallace...the poet was not a historian, and so the academics claim the poem was merely made up...however, it was probably based on stories told around the fire at night, i.e. folktales and has some truth in it...
22 posted on 12/06/2003 5:01:47 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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Speaking of Matrix, Mark Steyn did a great review of the last one...

Neo is back, though he's looking somewhat paleo for a guy who's only been around four years. When first we met him in The Matrix he was some computer programmer in an anonymous metropolis who gets roused by Morpheus and offered a choice of pharmaceutical producrs. "You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill," teases Morpheus, "and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

Neo takes the red pill, and wakes up to find his so-called real life is a fiction. And so is everyone else's. All his chums are lying down in incubators wired up to the "Matrix", which feeds them a continuing simulation of experience. Mankind has been put in a collective comatose state by evil computers. The only real reality is that of a small band of renegade humans holed up in an underground town called Zion until they can figure out how to deMatriculate mankind.

The notion that reality is an illusion is an eminently respectable one these days, particularly for French intellectuals, understandably enough. The line in the original film about "the desert of the real" came from Jean Baudrillard, a great proponent of the philosophical idea that reality is simulation and author of, among other books, The Gulf War Did Not Take Place. He could probably sue for plagiarism, though in turn the film's producers could argue that his theory that reality is a simulation is itself a simulation and that their alleged film did not take place.

The point is Andy and Larry Wachowski figured they'd hit on the perfect wrinkle for a classic post-modern nerd franchise -- the Star Wars of our generation. And if you say, "Hang on, old boy, surely Star Wars is our generation?", I'd say, nah, it's too 1930s radio serial, and its grandiosity is plonkingly squaresville instead of coolly impenetrable. Sadly, Matrix Recycled ...I mean, Reloaded came overloaded, lacking anything like the first film's sudden peeling away of surface reality and so attempting to duplicate it over and over: Was Zion perhaps a Matrix-within-the-Matrix? Was Neo maybe a Matrix-within-the-Matrix-within- the-Matrix? He was supposed to be "The One". But maybe one of the others is The One. Maybe The One flew over the cuckoo's nest.

By the sequel, the Wachowskis' "innovative visual style" was looking a lot less innovative: they did all same things they did in the first film all over again, just more expensively and even more arbitrarily -- the scene in which Keanu Reeves (Neo) is fighting a hundred guys in black and doesn't win, doesn't lose, but just gets bored and flies off after 15 minutes pretty much sums it up. By the second movie, Keanu had perfected his morose blank look; fine actors like Laurence Fishburne were turning in performances so clunkily solemn you'd think they were auditioning for George Lucas; the subterranean city of Zion proved to be just the usual generic dystopian underground parking garage, and the orgiastic dance party looked like a provincial rave.

But, having fallen for the series' self-importance, the Matricians or Matricists or Matrons or whatever the anoraks are called were reluctant to admit they'd bought a dud. In the original film, Neo discovered that the meaning of our lives is an illusion; in the sequel, the meaning of the film is an illusion. It doesn't make much sense as it's flying by, and it makes less if you buy the DVD, slow it down and write out all the dialogue. The rabbit hole doesn't go deep at all; the buck stops about four inches down. But it has the illusion of meaning. Halfway through, at the moment when a severely cropped Monica Bellucci (in dystopian movies, there is, alas, no Charlie's Angels hair) asks Keanu to kiss her, I became convinced that my watching the film was only an illusory reality; somewhere, there was another me watching Monica Bellucci seducing Italian schoolboys in Malena and having a much better time.

Which brings us to The Matrix: Revolutions -- that's "revolutions" as in "coming round again". This is one rabbit hole that's looking pretty tapped out. This is the big final showdown between the denizens of Zion and the Sentinels, and the Wachowskis lay off the psychedelic LP liner notes philosophizing to concentrate on a not altogether comfortable mix of your basic up-against-the-clock action sequences and celestial choirs on the soundtrack serenading Keanu as if it's consecration day and he's the last gay bishop on the planet. The romance between Neo and Trinity (Carrie-Anne Moss) is barely less comatose than the mass of humanity they're supposedly trying to save. Unlike the first sequel, the dialogue isn't pretentiously obscure, just perfunctory: "I'm afraid hope is an indulgence I don't have time for." Or maybe "indulgence is a hope I don't have time for". Or "time is a hope I don't have indulgence for". Makes no difference. It's modular furniture. Say it portentously enough and it fills in the time until the giant steel bores tunnel into Zion and the explosions start.

Is Matrix a myth for the ages? No. I doubt it will resonate through the end of the decade. Why then did so many intellectuals go ga-ga for it? Because it confirms their view of the world: huge corporations manufacture a reality that sedates the masses and only a handful of supersmart humans know enough to spot it. Needless to say, the film series confirming the great thinkers' worldview is itself made by a huge corporation, which suggests they -- and not the philosophy profs -- are the really supersmart guys. Or, as they would say, The Ones.

23 posted on 12/06/2003 5:39:38 AM PST by MitchellC
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