So what’s the alternative? Land 500,000 US troops in then let everyone glow in the dark?.
Either cede Donbas to Russia or continue continue killing of Ukrainians. It is a Hobson’s choice.
Will Trump come home from these potential meetings waving a piece of paper and exclaiming peace in our time?
Very clear. To act as combatants, we cannot act as negotiators. So all in. Or all out. Not "half pregnant."
Who here thinks President Trump is going to declare "all-out war against the Russians?"
I don't think that is going to happen.
Russia occupies most of the Donbas, Luhansk, and Crimea NOW. Why would a peace deal make it MORE likely that Russia would build threatening military bases? They can already build any sort of bases there that they please.
Well…he’s winning the war. When you win a war you keep stuff. Whether we like it or not.
You all need to consider the source for these reports tonight. They are known for taking things out of context, not telling the whole story and out right lying.
Victoria Nuland’s fault.
1. If Ukraine refuses to give up their defensive positions in the Donbas, and there is no security agreement with outside forces, Russia will eventually override those defenses and destroy Ukraine as a nation.
2. If Ukraine does give up their defensive positions in the Donbas, Russia will soon come up with an excuse to easily invade the rest of the country and destroy Ukraine as a nation.
In either case, Ukraine ceases to exist. If they are going to be exterminated, I would assume that they would prefer (2) to go down fighting than (1) commit suicide.
If they are looking at being exterminated either way they go, I would think that they don’t care what anyone—whether world leaders or Russia internet posters—thinks.
Let’s see....
The Russians already have it. Check.
The Ukrainians can’t push them off. Check.
No one is going to help the Ukrainians push the Russians off. Check.
Let’s worry about the new military bases they can put in the territory they already control with their military.
That’s stupid. The Russians now have new bases in the Donbas. It is, as the French say, a “Fait Accompli”
“Land for peace”, the same deal Hitler offered for the Sudetenland in 1938.
What about that don't you understand?
American taxpayers benefit the most of Ukraine ceased to exist.
recently:
At this time, Putin might think upper Donetsk may be too tough a nut to crack. In three months, who knows what Putin's army might possess and what Putin might think.
“$24K Sign-On Bonus: Ukraine Unveils Lucrative New Military Contracts”
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/46989
Ummm..nukes would just need to travel a few hundred miles more if Russia hadn’t invaded the kleptocratic Ukraine and put it’s bases close to the border. Europe needs an Iron dome defense and some nukes of its own. But they are too busy importing warm bodies to do their scutwork. And making sure correct pronouns are employed. Just to make it ripe for Sharia law to take over.
Best to trade Ukrainian-held land to Russia and trade Russia-occupied Ukrainian land back to Ukraine. Sound like fair exchange. Why not give the Russians land now that they could not take in 10 years That will save lots of lives [ except for hohos that have to be exterminated ].