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Posted on 08/20/2025 5:44:20 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
The ugly truth behind any deal that would cede a chunk of Ukraine’s Donbas region to Moscow is that it could immediately strengthen the Russian military, providing a major win for one of America’s leading adversaries in an era of great power competition.
In such a scenario, Ukraine would lose some of its most heavily fortified defensive positions. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s generals would seek to deepen their substantial footprint in the strategically vital theater with new military bases. The Russian navy could gain even greater control over the Black Sea. The Russian government and its armed forces could take de facto ownership of the significant mineral deposits underground in eastern Ukraine.
The U.S., Ukraine and Europe likely will insist on a sizable buffer zone designed to prevent Russia from turning the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, which collectively make up the Donbas, into a military hub that could threaten Kyiv and other former Soviet nations in Eastern Europe. It’s unclear how that scenario could be prevented, short of a permanent multinational contingent of ground troops stationed in the region willing to fight the Russian army if necessary.
NATO officials, including Gen. Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met Wednesday to discuss such a plan and held a “candid discussion,” a senior alliance official told The Associated Press.
Alliance members, including the U.S., have given few, if any, indications that they are truly willing to engage in all-out war against the Russians if, as many battlefield analysts fear, the Kremlin inevitably breaks whatever agreement is made to end the current conflict.
Questions are swirling around President Trump’s push to end the war, including exactly what the U.S. military commitment would be to the still-undetermined “security guarantees” the West says it is willing to provide to Ukraine.
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“Land for peace”, the same deal Hitler offered for the Sudetenland in 1938.
Yep which is why Zelensky is not going to surrender the Donbass to Putin.
Exactly. The time to stop this war was before it started. But Josef Stolen was more interested in keeping his Uke Cash Machine running
The Russians have been trying for over three years with no success. It should be clear by now that Russia does not have the resources to break Ukraine. Additionally, the Russian economy is coming to the point that they will not be able to sustain the present action much longer.
Ukraine has nothing to do with this war except providing the dead soldiers. The could not make a drone to deliver an Amazon package.
… but right now they blow up real good.
What about that don't you understand?
American taxpayers benefit the most of Ukraine ceased to exist.
I think they are running out of Ukranians.
“Once you give it to them they have an open plain into much of the rest of Ukraine.”
I see some nice defensive hills to the north the Ukrainians should be grateful to have, but not your “open plain into much of the rest of Ukraine”.
topo map of eastern Ukraine:
The area of Donetsk combat is about halfway down about two-thirds of the way to the right edge.
“They could not make a drone to deliver an Amazon package.”
Ukraine makes a lot of drones.
Ukraine is probably the fourth-biggest arms-making country in the world (after the US, Russia and China).
“It should be clear by now that Russia does not have the resources to break Ukraine.”
The Russians don’t know how to use the resources to break Ukraine, but they’ll figure out how in time.
WIKI
Sequence of events following the Munich Agreement:
1. The Sudetenland became part of Germany in accordance with the Munich Agreement (October 1938).
2. Poland annexes Trans-Olza, an area with a Polish plurality, over which the two countries had fought a war in 1919 (October 1938).
3. Border areas (southern third of Slovakia and southern Carpathian Ruthenia) with Hungarian minorities became part of Hungary in accordance with the First Vienna Award (November 1938).
4. On 15 March 1939, during the German invasion of the remaining Czech territories, Hungary annexes the remainder of Carpathian Ruthenia (which had been autonomous since October 1938).
5. Germany establishes the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia with a puppet government, on 16 March 1939.
6. On 14 March 1939, a pro-Hitler Catholic-fascist government declares the Slovak Republic, as an Axis client state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
WIKI
The Four Year Plan that Hitler launched in September 1936 to have the German economy ready for a “total war” by 1940 was faltering by 1937 owing to a shortage of foreign exchange to pay for the vast economic demands imposed by the ambitious armaments targets as Germany lacked many of the necessary raw materials, which had to be imported.
In November 1937 at the Hossbach Conference, Hitler announced that to stay ahead in the arms race with the other powers, Germany had to seize Czechoslovakia in the very near-future. Czechoslovakia was the world’s 7th largest manufacturer of arms, making Czechoslovakia into an important player in the global arms trade.
Hitler’s wish to occupy Czechoslovakia was largely caused by the foreign exchange crisis as Germany had exhausted its foreign exchange reserves by early 1939, and Germany urgently needed to seize the gold of the Czechoslovak central bank to continue the Four Year Plan. The British historian Victor Rothwell wrote that the Czechoslovak reserves of gold and hard currency seized in March 1939 were “invaluable in staving off Germany’s foreign exchange crisis”.
The model for the protectorate were the Princely states in India under the Raj. In just in the same way that Indian maharajahs in the Princely states were allowed a nominal independence, but the real power rested with the British resident stationed to monitor the maharajah, Hitler emulated this practice with the Protectorate of Bohemia-Moravia as the German media quite explicitly compared the relationship between the Reich Protector, Baron Konstantin von Neurath and President Emil Hácha to that of a British resident and an Indian maharajah. Neurath seems to be chosen as Reich Protector in because as a former foreign minister and a former ambassador to the United Kingdom, he was well known in London for his avuncular, but dignified manner, which were the personality traits associated with the popular image of a British resident. Hitler believed that emulating the Raj would make this violation of the Munich Agreement more acceptable to Britain, and as that proved not to be the case the German media launched a lengthy campaign denouncing British “hypocrisy”.
The Czechs demonstrated against the occupation on 28 October 1939, the 21st anniversary of Czechoslovak independence. The death on 15 November 1939 of a medical student, Jan Opletal, who had been wounded in the October violence, precipitated widespread student demonstrations, and the Germans retaliated. Politicians were arrested en masse, as were an estimated 1,800 students and teachers. On 17 November, all universities and colleges in the protectorate were closed, nine student leaders were executed, and 1,200 were sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp within Nazi Germany; further arrests and executions of Czech students and professors took place later during the occupation.
During World War II, Hitler decided that Neurath was not treating the Czechs harshly enough and adopted a more radical policy in the protectorate. On 29 September 1941, Hitler appointed SS hardliner Reinhard Heydrich as Deputy Reichsprotektor (Stellvertretender Reichsprotektor). At the same time, he relieved Neurath of his day-to-day duties. For all intents and purposes, Heydrich replaced Neurath as Reichsprotektor. Under Heydrich’s authority Prime Minister Alois Eliáš was arrested (and later executed), the Czech government was reorganized, and all Czech cultural organizations were closed. The Gestapo arrested and murdered people. The deportation of Jews to concentration camps was organized, and the fortress town of Terezín was made into a ghetto way-station for Jewish families.
On 4 June 1942, Heydrich died after being wounded by Czechoslovak Commandos in Operation Anthropoid. Directives issued by Heydrich’s successor, SS-Oberstgruppenführer Kurt Daluege, and martial law brought forth mass arrests, executions and the obliteration of the villages of Lidice and Ležáky. In 1943 the German war-effort was accelerated. Under the authority of Karl Hermann Frank, German minister of state for Bohemia and Moravia, within the protectorate, all non-war-related industry was prohibited. Most of the Czech population obeyed quietly until the final months preceding the end of the war, when thousands became involved in the resistance movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate_of_Bohemia_and_Moravia
recently: 
At this time, Putin might think upper Donetsk may be too tough a nut to crack. In three months, who knows what Putin's army might possess and what Putin might think.
“$24K Sign-On Bonus: Ukraine Unveils Lucrative New Military Contracts”
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/46989
Ukraine has spent over $200 billion. But whose production was it?
Ukraine’s Arms Production Ranking (2024)
Production Volume:
Ukraine produced $10 billion worth of arms in 2024
Global Production Comparison (2023 SIPRI Top 100 baseline):
Top Arms Producing Countries by Total Production:
United States: $317 billion (41 companies)
China: $103 billion (9 companies)
United Kingdom: $47.7 billion (7 companies)
Russia: $25.5 billion (2 companies, limited data)
France: $25.5 billion (5 companies)
Trans-European companies: $21.0 billion (3 companies)
Italy: $15.2 billion (2 companies)
Israel: $13.6 billion (3 companies)
South Korea: $11.0 billion (4 companies)
Germany: $10.7 billion (4 companies)
Japan: $10.0 billion (5 companies)
Ukraine: ~$10.0 billion (2024 estimate)
Ummm..nukes would just need to travel a few hundred miles more if Russia hadn’t invaded the kleptocratic Ukraine and put it’s bases close to the border. Europe needs an Iron dome defense and some nukes of its own. But they are too busy importing warm bodies to do their scutwork. And making sure correct pronouns are employed. Just to make it ripe for Sharia law to take over.
Putin has to grab more land.
Yeah, the war is all about neocons. Good one.
Who are these “neocons” who started a war against Russia?
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