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So what’s the alternative? Land 500,000 US troops in then let everyone glow in the dark?.
The neocons always have to have a war...
Either cede Donbas to Russia or continue continue killing of Ukrainians. It is a Hobson’s choice.
If I hear the neocon phrase “security guarantees” one more time, I’m gonna toss cookies.
The Ukraine lost its security guarantees when they listened to BoJo the clown back in 2022.
Will Trump come home from these potential meetings waving a piece of paper and exclaiming peace in our time?
Very clear. To act as combatants, we cannot act as negotiators. So all in. Or all out. Not "half pregnant."
Who here thinks President Trump is going to declare "all-out war against the Russians?"
I don't think that is going to happen.
Russia occupies most of the Donbas, Luhansk, and Crimea NOW. Why would a peace deal make it MORE likely that Russia would build threatening military bases? They can already build any sort of bases there that they please.
Please do us a favor and toss your cookies.
Right. Every day since Trump and Putin met in Alaska, including the day of the meeting, the MSM,EU, Democrats and RINOs have been trying to create CHAOS over any peace deal.
If they really cared about people dying, they would STFU and quite trying to muddy the waters, but they can’t stop the hysteria.
Everyone except Trump, Zelensky and Putin needs to stay out of it! They are NOT the deciders no matter how badly they want to be relevant.
Well…he’s winning the war. When you win a war you keep stuff. Whether we like it or not.
“ So what’s the alternative? Land 500,000 US troops in then let everyone glow in the dark?”
And then give up the land anyway?
Wrong. Russia has been unable to take the Ukrainian fortress city line in Western Donbas. Once you give it to them they have an open plain into much of the rest of Ukraine.
And Russia wants to veto any defense of Ukraine.
With the Russians now saying Ukraine really won’t have any security guarantee, there never was a serious offer.
The only thing Russia will respond to is a serious military threat. If you can produce that with sanctions, great. But that’s just reality.
When Trump says the war wouldn’t have happened when he was president, he means that he wouldn’t have tolerated it. But now we are tolerating it, so ....
“The neocons always have to have a war...”
If the Neocons didn’t want to get SPANKED, with new Russian bases in what was Ukraine, they shouldn’t have started their war against Russia.
The Soros backers don’t care.. they just want to keep the money flowing, and the road to WWIII.
You all need to consider the source for these reports tonight. They are known for taking things out of context, not telling the whole story and out right lying.
Victoria Nuland’s fault.
1. If Ukraine refuses to give up their defensive positions in the Donbas, and there is no security agreement with outside forces, Russia will eventually override those defenses and destroy Ukraine as a nation.
2. If Ukraine does give up their defensive positions in the Donbas, Russia will soon come up with an excuse to easily invade the rest of the country and destroy Ukraine as a nation.
In either case, Ukraine ceases to exist. If they are going to be exterminated, I would assume that they would prefer (2) to go down fighting than (1) commit suicide.
If they are looking at being exterminated either way they go, I would think that they don’t care what anyone—whether world leaders or Russia internet posters—thinks.
The war is "existential" for both sides.
Let’s see....
The Russians already have it. Check.
The Ukrainians can’t push them off. Check.
No one is going to help the Ukrainians push the Russians off. Check.
Let’s worry about the new military bases they can put in the territory they already control with their military.
That’s stupid. The Russians now have new bases in the Donbas. It is, as the French say, a “Fait Accompli”
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