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TOTALLY OVERBLOWN! SCOTUS DOGE USAID DECISION IS FINE, ACTUALLY...
The Four Boxes Diner (youtube.com) ^ | 3/5/2025 | Mark W. Smith

Posted on 03/06/2025 6:33:08 AM PST by bertmerc1

Mark Smith's argument in favor of this decision are well reasoned and worth a listen. I know folks don't want to spend their time listening to youtube videos but this, I promise you is well worth it. Enjoy!


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1 posted on 03/06/2025 6:33:08 AM PST by bertmerc1
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To: bertmerc1

I listen to him a lot for the 2A content.


2 posted on 03/06/2025 6:34:25 AM PST by dljordan
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To: bertmerc1

Someone please post a one sentence summary “bertmerc1” couldn’t.


3 posted on 03/06/2025 6:34:55 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Essentially, this was about paying contractors who had already performed work and had invoiced the government. It was for goods and services delivered prior to the freeze.


4 posted on 03/06/2025 6:37:25 AM PST by HonorInPa
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To: HonorInPa

That sounds rational.


5 posted on 03/06/2025 6:40:18 AM PST by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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To: ConservativeMind

I scanned the transcript quickly and here’s my take.

The video’s assertion that the Supreme Court’s decision is “fine” and concerns are “overblown” stems from the understanding that the current ruling pertains to a procedural aspect (the TRO) rather than a final judgment on the substantive issues. The legal process will continue, providing further opportunities for the administration to contest the disbursement of the funds.


6 posted on 03/06/2025 6:43:07 AM PST by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: RoosterRedux

It’s not fine. The squishes don’t want to take on the real issue, as Alito raised in dissent. TROs against the President intrude on the powers of the executive. It isn’t about the fact that TROs are not appealable. It’s about the powers of the courts vs powers of the Executive.


7 posted on 03/06/2025 6:45:55 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: ConservativeMind

It takes the guy a long time to get to his point, but I think the bad judge started this off as a Temporary Restraining Order which would force Trump to pay billions to contractors. And a Temporary Restraining Order is not appealable, so Trump would have no choice but to pay out the money that he is reluctant to pay. The judge basically attempted to put Trump in a box.

But the Supreme Court stepped in and stayed the decision, causing the payment deadline to expire and then changed the case to a Preliminary Injunction, which is appealable, so that Trump can fight this through additional judicial layers. Trump is out of the box.


8 posted on 03/06/2025 6:46:16 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: AndyJackson
Fine or not, I am just providing a quick review of the video transcript (and because I did it quickly, I might have missed plenty).

Take your argumentativeness elsewhere.

9 posted on 03/06/2025 6:48:07 AM PST by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: bertmerc1
It is not "fine".

This TRO should have been rejected in its' entirety by the Supreme Court. Sending it back to the District Court for procedural revisions only delays the inevitable confrontation.

The Federal District Courts continue to assert powers over the Executive branch which are not legitimate under the Constitution and not consistent with even a functioning Executive branch.

It is way past time to trim back the claimed powers of the District Courts.

10 posted on 03/06/2025 6:50:27 AM PST by flamberge (The times, they are a' changing.)
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To: bertmerc1
I understand the explanation made by Four Boxes Diner -- it's a lot of legalese, but it sounds like he may have the proper understanding of this situation, and that Trump is likely going to prevail and finally put a stop to these frivolous and unlawful actions from circuit judges.

Having said that ... this situation also makes it very clear that the American judiciary system has become overly complex over many decades and needs cleansing. There's at least a century of accumulated bad procedure, false precedents, etc. that need to get stripped away. It made me think of something that has been repeatedly repainted over the years, but never stripped down to original wood and re-primed. Lots of layers of crud need to be removed.

11 posted on 03/06/2025 6:53:56 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: flamberge

He explains in the video that that’s not the way TROs work.


12 posted on 03/06/2025 6:54:46 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: RoosterRedux

I am not being argumentative. I am pointing out the other side.


13 posted on 03/06/2025 6:55:15 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: ConservativeMind

The ruling concerns bills previously submitted.
My take is that every contract contains a right to audit clause.
With hold funds and issue an intent to audit.
Nobody wants to go through one of those.
My guess is they will fold like a house of cards


14 posted on 03/06/2025 6:56:31 AM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: AndyJackson

They way I see it and Bottom line is Trump as president has the authority given to him by the constitution, there is no discussion period. Why are the republicans sitting on their hands when it comes to these Biden and odingo placed lower judges having control over the decisions of the president.
Now SCOTUS chimes in, in agreement


15 posted on 03/06/2025 6:59:56 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: AndyJackson

When you think you appoint conservatives, but you appointed institutionalists....


16 posted on 03/06/2025 7:00:46 AM PST by steve8714 (Latin Mass is beautiful. Even though the music wasn't written by pedo Jesuits.)
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To: AndyJackson

Sorry for being so crabby. I wasn’t taking a position on the video, just responding to someone who wanted a brief summary of it.


17 posted on 03/06/2025 7:01:05 AM PST by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: ConservativeMind

The order that SCOTUS upheld was a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO), not a Preliminary Inunction Order (PIO). The difference is that a TRO cannot be appealed, but has an extremely short duration. Roberts knew the TRO would soon expire and become moot (and already has, as of today). The matter then goes back to the district court as a PIO, which CAN be appealed, any number of times. Bottom line: Trump administration will not be writing any checks for these payments.


18 posted on 03/06/2025 7:05:57 AM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: enumerated; joe fonebone; ClearCase_guy; RoosterRedux; HonorInPa

Thank you all!


19 posted on 03/06/2025 7:09:04 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: HonorInPa

The logic behind this is that Musk should not rescue the astronauts because Boeing has a contract.

Lol.


20 posted on 03/06/2025 7:11:18 AM PST by cgbg (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.)
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