Posted on 03/03/2025 12:22:11 PM PST by Red Badger
Fox News contributor Joey Jones, a Marine Corps veteran, called out Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts on “Fox and Friends” Monday for labeling Vice President JD Vance a “pogue” during a Friday CNN appearance.
Moulton, an ex-Marine who served four tours in the Global War on Terror according to his official biography, used the term while reacting to President Donald Trump canceling a joint press conference with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy after he and Vance argued with the Ukrainian leader during a contentious meeting prior to the planned signing of a minerals deal Friday. Jones, who served as an explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) technician, said Moulton’s use of the term was “very intentional.”
“What bothers me so much about the way Seth Moulton handled this, number one, ‘pogue’ is a very intentional word, it means ‘person other than grunt.’ So what Seth Moulton is saying, he said in 2014 actually, just about a year ago, JD Vance in describing him, said he was a combat Marine, then he goes oh, I mean actually a combat cameraman. Then he said he was a Marine Corps veteran, and he says, ‘Oh I mean combat cameraman, or combat journalist.’ And so what he’s trying to so is denigrate JD Vance’s service,” Jones told “Fox and Friends” co-host Brian Kilmeade after Kilmeade played a clip of Moulton’s comments. “But to sit there and call him a ‘pogue,’ person other than grunt, maybe he doesn’t understand this, uh, Seth Moulton, I’m a pogue, I’m a person other than grunt. I wasn’t infantry. I hope that my service doesn’t come across as cowardly to you. I hope that you respect my service. You served with [Republican Rep.] Brian Mast [of Florida]. He’s a pogue, he wasn’t a grunt, he lost his legs. I watched Brian Mast recover with his hands sown to his stomach. So, I don’t know, it’s a very intentional word.”
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Mast, a Republican congressman from Florida, served as an Army EOD technician and lost his legs due to an improvised explosive device (IED).
“Up until World War II, it was used to describe homosexuals. So, maybe he’s a historian and trying to attack him in that way, I don’t know. But Seth Moulton needs to understand that every female Marine that served in combat, was injured in combat or killed in combat prior to 2012 was a pogue, they were a person other than a grunt,” Jones continued. “And it just bothers me that we have a Marine Corps officer in Congress, regardless of what his policy positions are that doesn’t have the honor, the courage, the commitment, the integrity to sit there and take issue with JD Vance’s policy position, take issue with the outcome that may come from the policies that he and President Trump make. You can’t find an intellectual argument to tell the American people why they’re wrong? You have to call them stupid names like ‘pogue’ and coward.”
Vance served as a Marine for four years, including a tour in Iraq, according to his official biography on the White House website. He served as a combat correspondent, according to Task and Purpose.
“I would never call Seth Moulton a coward, because it takes absolute courage or complete stupidity to go on live TV as a Marine Corps officer and call another enlisted Marine who’s risen to vice president a pogue and coward,” Jones said. “That takes some sort of absolute stupid stupidity or courage, I don’t know, but I wouldn’t call him a coward. To say call JD Vance a coward and to try to denigrate his service that way, just really, it blows my mind.”
“I’d love to know how much Seth Moulton cares about those 13 mostly Marines that were killed at Abbey Gate, I would imagine it’s not a topic he broaches very often, and that, that is borderline cowardice, if you ask me,” Jones added after Kilmeade pointed out Trump still campaigned for the presidency in 2024 despite two assassination attempts.
Is this the same word used as Pogey Bait? The stash of food one takes with on an Army deployment. Maybe it’s spelled Pogue...who knows. But ‘pogey’ began during the Korean War and is slang for a females private part.
Marines use to call(don’t know that they do now) candy\sweets Pogey Bait.
Pogey supposedly loosely defined as prostitute in Chinese.
Pogue and Pogey have been used interchangeably.
Still no such thing as an Ex-Marine...except in rare instances for guys like Representative Murtha.
Yes, they have the same derivation.
In the Marines, ‘Pogey Bait’ means candy or sweets.
Yes, Pogey Bait is candy or sweets............
That’s telling the dirty sasnach!
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Why are they calling him a kiss?
The little I’ve read from him, ‘Snide’ seems like a good description. Sort of a younger, taller version of Chuck Schumer.
Maybe Mr. Moulton wants to create a media presence,
a higher public profile, in case he chooses to pursue higher office. After the Great Fall of Kamala, I have expected to see a new bench of possible players, slowly making themselves known.
Moulton has consistently shown himself to be a Bobby Garwood brand of Marine and a coward. He stood up for getting the Frankensteins out women’s sports, but must have been taken to the woodshed because he now engages only in party acceptable ‘right speak.’
His disgusting remarks about President Trump and Vice President Vance are a violation of “... And to keep our honor clean”
I never saw combat as a Marine but I did as a NYPD street cop and I can tell you this puke wouldn’t last a tour in a radio car in Brooklyn North.
Am I angry? You bet your ass.
Semper Fi to all true Marines and GFY to this quisling Moulton.
In the case of Rep. Seth Moulton, he means it in a derogatory way - he has abandoned that loyalty to each other we're supposed to have that takes precedence over those who didn't serve.
Combat isn't the sole province of the grunts: it is anybody in theater who is exposed to death and maiming.
Jack Murtha [Demoscum - Pennsylvania] was an EX-Marine.
Looks like James “Snakehead” Carville is also bucking for the EX-Marine label.
How in heck did he keep from getting fragged?..............
In the Marines it means someone that is not a combat grunt...............
There’s ribbing and then there’s derogatory use of these types of nicknames.
I’ve worked with a lot of snipes, bilge rats, targets, bubbleheads, airdales, brown shoes, bus drivers, grunts, mules, whoops, zoomies, etc but It’s always used in a ‘poke, poke, nudge, nudge, know what I mean” kind of way.
I’d never run down ANYONE’S service independent of their role. about 15 years back, I had an older Viet vet presenting to an elementary class with me one day and the way he talked he presented himself as not as worthy just because he served in Europe during that timeframe while I was in the Gulf in the early 90s.
I chatted with him afterward and told him straight up, look I just drove circles in the water-I’m no better than you; but we both served, did our part, and should be proud of that. He kind of lit up a bit after that. Never saw him again, but hope he felt better about his time.
My favorite ‘put down’ from Basic Training days was being called a ‘Maggot.’
Our First Sergeant was 1SG Barnum. He told us it stood for: ‘Bad, Arrogant, Rotten, Nasty, Ugly & Mean.’
One of the most awesome soldiers/men I’ve ever known. All the men that trained me in 1979 were Vietnam Vets. True professionals and I respected them all. They made me the Maggot I am today, LOL!
Once a Marine, always a Marine! Semper Fi!
I condemn veterans who adopt and support Leftist policies, especially those that are in direct contradiction to the US Constitution regarding the 1st and 2nd Amendment.
I admit that I struggle with this mindset, which is why I posted this. I do not take this lightly.
I fully recognize this point of view is sometimes unpopular with many conservative veterans, especially those that have seen actual combat themselves. And I understand that. But I feel strongly about this.
Veterans who sign on to the agenda of the Left are repudiating the Constitution. This is not my opinion. This is fact. They are repudiating the SAME Constitution that those veterans who support the Left took an OATH to protect and defend.
I believe those people have broken their oath. It is not that they have different opinions that I disagree with. It is that they support anti-Constitutional policies. It makes them oath breakers.
It is clear that to nearly every Leftist who served in the military, that oath was just words, and that is all it ever was, regardless of whatever they went through. It isn't a difference of opinion that gives me cause to condemn them.
I saw an Israeli recently who said (I have to paraphrase it here):
"If someone disagrees with your or has a different opinion, they are not your enemy. If someone does to you what Hamas did on October 7th, they are."
What we have here is people who support (against their oath) the laying of foundations that inevitably ends up with things like October 7th. We have seen what limiting speech and disarming populations ends up as. That is indisputable. We have seen it again and again.
So, it isn't just a difference of opinion.
If a veteran told me that they disagreed with the 1st or 2nd Amendment and intended to launch an endeavor to amend the Constitution, I would absolutely not view it the same way, and would not see it as a violation of their oath of enlistment because...they would be working within the framework of the Constitution they took an oath to defend. I would want them to fail, but I don't believe it would be inconsistent with their oath to defend the Constitution.
But that is not what the the majority of Leftists who are veterans support. They support changing the law in any way they see fit, by any method.
And I abhor and condemn that.
Yes. It means that in the Navy too.
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