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Behind the Curtain: Deep Democratic depression
Axios ^ | November 08, 2024 | Jim VandeHei , Mike Allen

Posted on 11/08/2024 8:06:06 AM PST by Red Badger

Democrats didn't just lose badly.

They lost to a convicted felon they ridiculed as a racist, misogynistic fascist — and an existential threat to democracy.

And they didn't just lose to President-elect Trump. They lost the Senate ... likely the House ... many Hispanic men ... all three Blue Wall states ... both Southern swing states ... even substantial support in the bluest of states and cities.

Why it matters: Top Democrats, including Harris advisers, tell us they feel like a lost party. Come January, they'll have scant power in the federal government, and shriveling clout in the courts and states.

The traditional media structure sympathetic to their views, and hostile to Trump's, was shattered. The big picture: In our volatile, 50-50 America, where voters seem to swing fast and hard against the ruling party, resurrection and resurgence are often an off-year election away.

But the road to the Democrats' Damascus requires deep, honest self-reflection — and, many party insiders tell us, entirely new leadership.

White House officials were dismissive of reporting about screwups. When journalists held up a mirror, they often looked away.

President Biden, 81, has faded even before his job is done. Harris' team didn't even want him to campaign. Impossible to imagine Democrats turning to him for sage advice on what's next.

Harris just lost what Democrats considered an eminently winnable race, despite relatively light scrutiny and more money than any candidate in U.S. history. Hard to see her guiding Democrats out of the wilderness.

The party's two most popular figures — Barack Obama and Michelle Obama — are happy to help in the waning moments of elections but aren't going to lead a revival.

Look to the states, Democrats will say: Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania ... Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan ... Andy Beshear in Kentucky ... newly elected Josh Stein in North Carolina.

Other Democratic future faces: Senator-elect Elissa Slotkin in Michigan, and Ruben Gallego, who leads in the race for U.S. senator in Arizona.

All are from states Trump just won. They're certainly politically smarter than the Washington crew. The evidence: They didn't lose.

Democrats will now start the predictable cycle of blame-casting and bellyaching. Every losing party does it. Then, they'll turn to a more serious autopsy: why they're bleeding support virtually everywhere.

Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.), who campaigned for Harris every single day the House was out of session, told us that if you were out there listening to union members, to Black voters, to men, to young people, to working women and men struggling to pay for groceries ... you knew what was coming. "Democrats shouldn't do the blame game," she said. "They should do: 'What aren't we doing right — all of us?' "

Doug Sosnik, a wise, clear-eyed Democratic strategist who bases analysis on empirical data, not emotion, is a good place to start.

He sent us a post-election deck attached to a one-word email: "bloodbath."

Sosnik's report captures the blunt reality: "The 2024 election marks the biggest shift to the right in our country since Ronald Reagan's victory in 1980. ... [Trump's victory this week] was due to support from a multi-racial working-class group of voters." The coalition includes:

One in three voters of color voted for Trump.

Trump increased his support with Hispanic voters by double digits compared to 2020.

Trump carried Hispanic men by 10 points.

Trump improved his support with voters ages 18-29 by 10+ points.

Between the lines: But top Democrats tell us the party needs to dig deeper into root causes — and to reach back to COVID to truly understand why many of these voters revolted.

It was the COVID era when many voters felt elites were lecturing them on wearing masks, hiding at home and shutting down their businesses. This preachy, judgmental tone alienated many former and would-be Democrats.

Word-policing escalated.

This invigorated the non-legacy media and started pushing Hispanic and Black men away, starting in the last presidential election. Centrist Democrats tell us this is why even big cities turned redder this month.

The political correctness movement calmed. But Biden, then Harris, could never find words or ways to convince working-class voters they had policy ideas to make prices lower, jobs more lucrative, the future brighter.

Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-N.Y.), a moderate, told Axios' Andrew Solender: "We have to stop pandering to the base and we have to start listening to the people ... People are sick of extremism."

Ezra Klein, the popular liberal New York Times columnist, wrote Thursday: "I do think a lot of Democrats have alienated themselves from the culture that many people, and particularly many men, now consume. I think they lost people like Rogan by rejecting them, and it was a terrible mistake."

The country has moved right on immigration and energy, and Democrats need a new approach — fast.

The Senate border bill that Harris repeatedly pointed to was "an insider talking point that was too disconnected from what Americans had witnessed in their own communities for the past four years," former Biden adviser Andrea Flores wrote on X. She says Democrats urgently need fresh ideas.

What we're watching: There'll be a strong tug back to the blue-collar-focused politics of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). He sounded more like Trump than his party elites. And Sanders was quick out of the gate with a scathing critique of his party's rich, educated ruling elite.

"It should come as no great surprise," Sanders wrote, "that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working-class people would find that the working class has abandoned them."

Hard to see Democrats losing bigger chunks of the working class and winning elections. So Sanders makes a great point. But Trump often sounds more like the socialist Sanders than a Mitt Romney.

A real fight to best serve the less educated and less wealthy seems good for a nation divided by education and income, operating in a system tilted decisively to the latter.

Finally, Dems need to grapple with their denialism. Democrats let their hatred of Trump put them in a state of denial about Biden and the party's unpopularity — confident that Trump's toxicity was enough. They didn't believe their own eyes when staring at polls.

So they got crushed. Now they have dilemma and opportunity: In a 50-50 country, how do they articulate a theory of the case to win back voters — and power?

The bottom line: This will be the Democratic story of 2025.

Axios' Alex Thompson contributed reporting.


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To: Karoo
Elites comprise their party.

Elitists.

41 posted on 11/08/2024 9:09:07 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: tflabo

They are self-centered, self-righteous, self-delusional. Their entire universe is self-oriented and their reality is self-created.

Yet they blame everybody else for their failures.

“You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.” - Ayn Rand.....................


42 posted on 11/08/2024 9:09:07 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: CtBigPat

43 posted on 11/08/2024 9:14:45 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: MNJohnnie
The country has moved right on immigration and energy, and Democrats need a new approach — fast.

Again, totally flawed analysis.

The receipts are the many recently historical and Internet-searchable videos of Obama, both Hillary and Bill, Biden, and other top Dems saying how important it was to secure the border and not permit any illegal immigration. They further articulate on video that illegal immigrants should be deported.

So don't tell me the country moved right. The country never actually moved. It has been the Democrat Party that moved to the extreme left.

Democrats split every group of Americans possible to divide and conquer.

Democrats moved to the extreme left on every social issue imaginable. The American people are tolerant, but Democrats demanded women in sports, flaunted weird, perverted men in public office, such as Richard Levine, and that goofy luggage thief.

Bottom line is America remains center-right. The Democrat Party went way left and off the sanity scale and the corrupt MSM covered up a lot of their actual damage. Americans have long since had enough.

44 posted on 11/08/2024 9:19:12 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: marktwain

I saw that too. No mention of the double digit black support for Trump.

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That is a good example of what I call Censorship By Omission.


45 posted on 11/08/2024 9:27:06 AM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: bobbo666
Too bad we cannot encourage them to blame each other. Then, pass out half bricks and go for it.

Isn't there a scene in The Hobbit where Gandalf, hiding in the shadows, tricks some orcs into brawling with each other, in order to rescue Bilbo and other members of his company?

46 posted on 11/08/2024 9:27:25 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: taxcontrol

Depression is often the result when your world view gets destroyed. You believed the lies and not your eyes.

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That’s right.

The Truth to the Left is whatever they WANT the Truth to be.


47 posted on 11/08/2024 9:28:30 AM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Red Badger

>>>And Sanders was quick out of the gate with a scathing critique of his party’s rich, educated ruling elite.<<<

Elite. What a joke. I think a more fitting term for them is one used by Sprio Agnew: effete snobs.


48 posted on 11/08/2024 9:41:27 AM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: Old Grumpy

Of which he is one with his three homes!


49 posted on 11/08/2024 9:43:35 AM PST by Reily
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

You know the really funny thing is Trump actually ran as an Anti Socialists”

Since at least FDR Dems have built their voter coalition by telling them election after election “Send me to DC and here are the things I am going to give you”.

Trump turned that on it head. His tax message was brilliant. It told working class Democrat, “Send me to DC and here are the things I am going to stop DC taking from you


50 posted on 11/08/2024 9:44:45 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Don't blame me, my congressman is MTG!)
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To: Red Badger

Indeed being oblivious to some things is dangerous.


51 posted on 11/08/2024 10:20:20 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: DeplorablePaul

I never looked into the losers/suckers comment. What’s the story behind that?


52 posted on 11/08/2024 12:01:27 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Lizavetta

Loser and suckers was reported in an Atlantic magazine article. Trump was in Europe and was slated to visit a WW II cemetery which got canceled due to weather. When asked why the visit was canceled an anonymous source said that Trump asked why should I visit the losers and suckers who died during the war. When published the comment was denied by everyone on the trip who said that they never heard him say anything like that. Yet the anonymous sourced lie has been repeated a million times. Despicable.


53 posted on 11/08/2024 12:45:00 PM PST by DeplorablePaul
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To: Red Badger

That song was the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title.


54 posted on 11/08/2024 12:58:26 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (Not the whore in '24.)
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To: CtBigPat

Her spot of wisdom where she claimed she “fought for people who harmed other people” completely blew me away. Friggin’ Marxist.


55 posted on 11/08/2024 1:00:13 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Have the ballot counters in Maricopa County and Las Vegas sobered up yet?)
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To: Red Badger

Powerful.


56 posted on 11/08/2024 3:41:53 PM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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