Posted on 06/15/2024 10:49:39 AM PDT by Sam77
A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft suffered a mid-air emergency on Friday after it plunged 16,000 feet, coming just 400 feet of the Pacific Ocean off the coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauai due to adverse weather conditions.
According to a Southwest Airlines memo to pilots, Southwest Flight 2786 from Honolulu International Airport to Lihue Airport in Kauai dropped from nearly 16,000 feet to an altitude of 409 feet.
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No it is not. There is a Pilot-in-Command and a First Officer. One of them is the Flying Pilot and the other is the Monitoring Pilot.
Because the clickbait grabbing headline blames Boeing, it raises a question in my mind about the “qualifications” of the First Officer.
EC
You are worse than the click-bait headline writer!
No. And diversity clowns don’t fly them very well, either.
I’ll bet the pilot had bad memories from the mission at Macho Grande.
“737s are not designed for aerobatics”
Yet in this case it did some unscheduled aerobatics and held up just fine.
Don’t advertise yourself as a stupid ass or anything.
Depending on how heavily loaded a 737 is, a climb rate of 3,000 to 4,000 fpm isn’t uncommon.
With all that kinetic energy after a drop like that, as long as the aircraft doesn’t exceed the posted Vne in clean configuration, hitting an 8,500fpm climb rate is within reason.
Neither was the 707 but Tex Johnston did an aileron roll in one. Two, in fact. He did the second in case the press didn't catch it the first time, or didn't believe what they had seen.
Where was the captain?
A 16,000 ft descent takes 4 minutes at 4,000 ft per minute. More to this story than just a possible DEI F/O.
The guy or dame in the left seat should be summarily fired..no excuse for a departure from controlled flight.
So you’re telling me that under Part 121, the FO can take the controls of the airplane and he’s now the PIC and can overrule the CPT (Captain) as to the operation of the aircraft?
Whomever is flying the aircraft is the PIC. As long as the FO is certificated to fly that model and type, he can be PIC when the Captain isn’t in control of the aircraft.
This isn't a Boeing problem. They are merely the nominated scapegoats.
This is a problem with multiple airlines skimping on maintenance, repairs, and training. Add some diversity hires who cannot be fired or disciplined for incompetent work practices, and here we go.
Civilization was created by people of above average intelligence and requires that same kind of people to maintain it.
Yeah, sort of like “SUV crashes into storefront, misses restaurant patrons by inches”. After all, the people in the plane were mostly passengers.
Causing that kind of altitude gain/loss?
Pilot Flying and PIC are completely different. The PIC is always the captain but the PIC and the First Officer (who customarily are paired for a calendar month) swap flying duties on alternating legs. Whichever's turn it is to fly is the pilot flying. The other in the pilot monitoring or sometimes non-flying pilot.
But they still had to get Boeing in the headlines for those who don't read any farther....or don't care to...
Well let me help educate you …
The word is certified not certificated. So you lose all credibility arguing rule nuance when you use such an obviously inept word.
Second there is only one PIC and he is the left seater. On any aircraft there is a buck stops here guy, he is the PIC. His alone is the decision making authority should there arise a conflict or an emergency. If the right seater is flying the leg and the left seater says “I have the airplane”. The next response is from the FO “you have the airplane”. If the PIC were the guy flying the damn plane, he would not or could not be COMMANDED to relinquish authority.
Got it?
Sounds kind of kamikaze to me.
Sure. "Inadvertently." Did this FO just get a pilot's license?
How the HELL do you "inadvertently" push forward on the control column?
"Whoopsie! Wheeeee"
My, aren't you the racist!? (jk, obviously)
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