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Another Boeing Plane Plunges Mid-Flight, Comes Just 400ft of Pacific Ocean
The Daily Fetched ^ | 15 June 2024 | Jason Walsh

Posted on 06/15/2024 10:49:39 AM PDT by Sam77

A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft suffered a mid-air emergency on Friday after it plunged 16,000 feet, coming just 400 feet of the Pacific Ocean off the coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauai due to adverse weather conditions.

According to a Southwest Airlines memo to pilots, Southwest Flight 2786 from Honolulu International Airport to Lihue Airport in Kauai dropped from nearly 16,000 feet to an altitude of 409 feet.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: aircraft; airlines; boeing; boeing737; boeing737max8; southwest; southwestairlines
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To: Tom Tetroxide

No it is not. There is a Pilot-in-Command and a First Officer. One of them is the Flying Pilot and the other is the Monitoring Pilot.

Because the clickbait grabbing headline blames Boeing, it raises a question in my mind about the “qualifications” of the First Officer.

EC


21 posted on 06/15/2024 11:08:03 AM PDT by Ex-Con777
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To: brownsfan

You are worse than the click-bait headline writer!


22 posted on 06/15/2024 11:08:30 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: BrexitBen

No. And diversity clowns don’t fly them very well, either.


23 posted on 06/15/2024 11:08:47 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Robert DeLong

I’ll bet the pilot had bad memories from the mission at Macho Grande.


24 posted on 06/15/2024 11:10:14 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!s)
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To: rdcbn1

“737s are not designed for aerobatics”

Yet in this case it did some unscheduled aerobatics and held up just fine.


25 posted on 06/15/2024 11:10:59 AM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: brownsfan

Don’t advertise yourself as a stupid ass or anything.


26 posted on 06/15/2024 11:12:07 AM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: rdcbn1

Depending on how heavily loaded a 737 is, a climb rate of 3,000 to 4,000 fpm isn’t uncommon.

With all that kinetic energy after a drop like that, as long as the aircraft doesn’t exceed the posted Vne in clean configuration, hitting an 8,500fpm climb rate is within reason.


27 posted on 06/15/2024 11:13:28 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: rdcbn1
"...737s are not designed for aerobatics."

Neither was the 707 but Tex Johnston did an aileron roll in one. Two, in fact. He did the second in case the press didn't catch it the first time, or didn't believe what they had seen.

28 posted on 06/15/2024 11:14:31 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Sam77

Where was the captain?
A 16,000 ft descent takes 4 minutes at 4,000 ft per minute. More to this story than just a possible DEI F/O.

The guy or dame in the left seat should be summarily fired..no excuse for a departure from controlled flight.


29 posted on 06/15/2024 11:15:03 AM PDT by AFret. (.)
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To: Tom Tetroxide

So you’re telling me that under Part 121, the FO can take the controls of the airplane and he’s now the PIC and can overrule the CPT (Captain) as to the operation of the aircraft?


30 posted on 06/15/2024 11:18:20 AM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Regulator

Whomever is flying the aircraft is the PIC. As long as the FO is certificated to fly that model and type, he can be PIC when the Captain isn’t in control of the aircraft.


31 posted on 06/15/2024 11:22:20 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: DarrellZero
Seems like Boeing is done.

This isn't a Boeing problem. They are merely the nominated scapegoats.

This is a problem with multiple airlines skimping on maintenance, repairs, and training. Add some diversity hires who cannot be fired or disciplined for incompetent work practices, and here we go.

Civilization was created by people of above average intelligence and requires that same kind of people to maintain it.

32 posted on 06/15/2024 11:23:30 AM PDT by flamberge (The times, they are a' changing.)
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To: Yogafist

Yeah, sort of like “SUV crashes into storefront, misses restaurant patrons by inches”. After all, the people in the plane were mostly passengers.


33 posted on 06/15/2024 11:23:45 AM PDT by Bernard (“God's cruelest punishment is to let you reap what you sow.”)
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To: Sam77
...‘inadvertently’ pushing forward on the control column?

Causing that kind of altitude gain/loss?

34 posted on 06/15/2024 11:25:58 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Time to throw them out of the Temple...again)
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To: Tom Tetroxide
"Pilot Flying? That is known as the PIC - Pilot In Command."

Pilot Flying and PIC are completely different. The PIC is always the captain but the PIC and the First Officer (who customarily are paired for a calendar month) swap flying duties on alternating legs. Whichever's turn it is to fly is the pilot flying. The other in the pilot monitoring or sometimes non-flying pilot.

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35 posted on 06/15/2024 11:30:31 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Sam77
The less-experienced first officer “inadvertently” pushed forward on the control column before cutting the speed, causing the airplane to descend rapidly.

But they still had to get Boeing in the headlines for those who don't read any farther....or don't care to...

36 posted on 06/15/2024 11:33:49 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Tom Tetroxide

Well let me help educate you …

The word is certified not certificated. So you lose all credibility arguing rule nuance when you use such an obviously inept word.

Second there is only one PIC and he is the left seater. On any aircraft there is a buck stops here guy, he is the PIC. His alone is the decision making authority should there arise a conflict or an emergency. If the right seater is flying the leg and the left seater says “I have the airplane”. The next response is from the FO “you have the airplane”. If the PIC were the guy flying the damn plane, he would not or could not be COMMANDED to relinquish authority.

Got it?


37 posted on 06/15/2024 11:36:45 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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To: RckyRaCoCo

Sounds kind of kamikaze to me.


38 posted on 06/15/2024 11:37:27 AM PDT by mware
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To: fretzer
...the FO “inadvertently” pushed forward on the control column before cutting the speed

Sure. "Inadvertently." Did this FO just get a pilot's license?

How the HELL do you "inadvertently" push forward on the control column?

"Whoopsie! Wheeeee"

39 posted on 06/15/2024 11:38:59 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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To: bigbob
"Maybe they should hire pilots who have received their private pilots license and know which way to push the yoke."

My, aren't you the racist!? (jk, obviously)

40 posted on 06/15/2024 11:40:28 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“When exposing a crime is treated like a crime, you are being ruled by criminals” – Edward Snowden)
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