Posted on 05/31/2024 8:38:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
OK, serious answers only please...
I'm trying to understand exactly what felony Trump was convicted of in yesterday's verdict.
Here's what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong or inaccurate in any of my interpretation) :
1) Trump was accused of a sexual affair with Porn Star Stormy Daniels almost 20 years ago.
2) 9 years later, as Trump was planning to ran for President, he had Stormy Daniels sign a non-disclosuer agreement in exchange for paying her $130,000 for her silence.
3) Trump is being charged with falsifying business records in relation to this particular payment.
Now, here's what I'm trying to understand ( but still don't ) -- exactly what felony did Trump commit?
#1 Might be morally wrong ( assuming it were true ), but it is NOT illegal between consenting adults.
#2 Isn't illegal either. Non-disclosure agreements are routinely being signed all the time, even with regards to something similar to what Trump allegedly did.
That brings us to Number 3: Falsifying business records.
What exactly did Trump falsify?
How should the payment to Stormy Daniels be declared in order to make it NOT illegal?
Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks.
Again, if you don't know, please don't post.
I can understand sarcasm, but the purpose of my opening this thread is to understand what exactly made his act a felony.
The problem I have with this complaint is the fact that an NDA is a legal process.
This is my understanding of Levin's comments :
So (again as I understand it) NY convicted Trump with 30+ State felonies for alleging he violated Federal election laws, thus overstepping the Constitutional jurisdiction of the State, and this requires immediate intervention and reversal by SCOTUS to preserve Federalism.
RE: But who the heck puts something so literal like that in writing
OK, for the sake of clarity, HOW SHOULD IT BE PUT IN LEGAL TERMS?
I have paid lawyers to pay legal fees.
It is normal.
It’s the old : “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit” trick.
Just like 17 intelligence agencies said Russian collusion.
Just like 31 intelligence people said Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation.
Just like how ever many documents Trump had at Mara Lago.
The number adds more gravitas.
My wife is afraid they are going to raid our home and take me away for being a member here. If that’s what it comes down to so be it.
I’ll try to give a serious answer. He was convicted of a misdemeanor of false accounting. That wasn’t true because his accountant did the accounting using a drop down menu and testified that Trump had no knowledge, but...
The misdemeanor was raised to a felony (and thereby extended the statute of limitations) because it was to further another criminal act. This is where it gets tricky.
Since Trump had not been convicted of a criminal act, the jury had to find him guilty of one. They were given three choices:
1 - Violating the Federal Election Campaign Act, meaning Cohen’s payment to Daniels was a contribution to Trump’s campaign that exceeded the legal limit.
2 - Falsifying other business records, after Cohen created a fake shell company to send the Daniels payment in 2016.
3 - Violating tax laws by making false entries on tax returns related to the payment.
Oddly - and in direct violation of the Supreme Court - the jurors did not have to agree which of those three Trump was guilty of. I’ve read no one KNOWS if they agreed on one because the judge told them they did not need to.
Also, a jury in a state court cannot - I believe - find Trump guilty of federal crimes. That is why he normally would need to have been convicted of them in federal court FIRST.
But...the judge had no intention of letting the law stand in way of a conviction.
You are not alone.
If these payments to Cohen fall under FEC guidelines would this not be a federal case?
The most I see is campaign violation and maybe IRS violation.
-PJ
The crime was DEFEATING Bill Clinton’s harpy, low-life, ugly wife, Hillary.
Or maybe it was a New York State tax violation.
Or maybe it was illegal campaign advertising.
Or maybe...
That was Merchan's instruction to the jury.
-PJ
Felony failure to return overdue library books, felony feeding a parking meter, felony driving 3 mph over the posted speed limit, and, of course, 100,000 counts of felony failure to keep his front lawn mowed, one count for each blade of grass 1/4” longer than the legal limit.
You live here in the USA.
Act like it.
The bastards gave me a visit in 2015. Why? Don’t really know.
Just sizing me up I guess.
No
It’s vapor law
The felony Donald Trump committed was beating Hitlery Clinton.
Also... none of those other crimes were in the charging document, so it was not the jury's place to find Trump guilty of any of them.
That was a violation of Trump's sixth amendment right "to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusations" so that he can put on a proper defense.
The jury was basically told to presume guilt on any of those underlying crimes, which goes against the most basic tenet of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law.
-PJ
Excellent delineation of the prosecution’s violations of Trump’s rights.
Thank you!
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