Posted on 03/24/2024 3:17:38 PM PDT by Kazan
Lots to cover with respect to Friday’s mercenary terrorist attack in Moscow. Why do I call it “mercenary”? Because it appears that the perps had no ideological axe to grind and were hired for a relatively paltry sum and carried out indiscriminate killing at a public gathering of civilians. Based on the video evidence released so far in the public domain the planning for this op was not the work of skilled professionals — e.g., they used the same vehicle to travel to and from the attack site, their movements inside the building demonstrated unsophisticated Close Quarter Battle skills and they had poor muzzle discipline, which means they had minimal rifle training.
The Russians got a jump on the investigation because one of the concert goers coldcocked one of the shooters, and the shooter was captured alive. The Russians also followed the escape vehicle and nabbed four of the suspects as they skedaddled for Ukraine. The western media is doing its damnedest to push the storyline that this was an ISIS attack and dismiss the possibility that it could have been Ukraine. But the initial questioning of the suspects revealed men of limited intelligence — i.e., guys who are not too smart — who told a cock and bull story that they were recruited via a telegram channel by an anonymous souThere also is no good explanation why a band of Tajiks were hightailing it for the Ukrainian border. At a minimum that shows a belief that they would find safehaven if they could get across the border. They certainly did not behave like diehard jihadist warriors eager to sacrifice themselves and go to Paradise and cash in the reward of 72 virgins.
I think the Islamic terrorism claim is a red herring and designed to shift attention away from the other indicators that some in the West, at a minimum, had foreknowledge of this attack. How else to explain the March 7 warning by US Embassy Moscow for American citizens to steer clear of event, such as concerts? And then, as I wrote yesterday, the US State Department was quick to issue a claim exonerating Ukraine for any role in the attack. The fires were still raging at the Crocus facility. That means only one thing — the State Department had intelligence indicating who carried out the attack. But the U.S. apparently did not share that with its Russian counterparts. That lapse alone is simply going to stoke more suspicion in Moscow about Western involvement.
ut we already know one thing for sure — that the West has been involved with facilitating a series of terrorist attacks against Russians since the start of the special military operation. What else do you call the artillery and missile strikes on Russian civilians in the Donbass,] and in Belgorod, with munitions that were supplied by the United States and other major NATO countries? At a minimum, that makes western powers an accessory to an act of terror.
Friday’s senseless slaughter of civilians in Moscow serves no broad, political purpose, nor does it advance Ukraine’s military prospects in anyway. It is important to note that the attack has rallied world sympathy for Russia, including some conciliatory comments out of Washington by National Security spokesman John Kirby. However, it is also important to note the President Joe Biden has said nothing, and has made no contact with Vladimir Putin to express sorrow or empathy. Quite a contrast with Biden’s actions in the wake of the news that Alexey Navalny, a political opponent of Vladimir Putin, had died. Biden was quick to express his fake grief for the death of Navalny.
It appears that the growing death toll from the attack was not caused by bullets, but by smoke inhalation. I still have seen no report explaining how the fire got started. Some speculate that it was caused by a Molotov cocktail. I’m sure those details will be coming out in the next few days. It is also clear from President Putin’s demeanor during his speech today that Russia will retaliate against those responsible for this attack.
I do not think that this act of terrorism is going to change Russia’s military strategy and plans for Ukraine. News from the front shows that Russian forces are continuing to advance all along the front in the Donbass, and are pushing the Ukrainians back towards the Dnieper River. The position of the Ukrainian military is becoming more precarious with each passing day.
As far identifying those responsible for organizing and funding this attack, I have no special insight. I am confident that Russian investigators will be able to trace the origin of the firearms, assuming the serial numbers have not been erased. At this juncture, I am inclined to believe that the West knew something was going to happen based on intelligence out of Ukraine, but did not have specifics other than this was an operation approved by Ukraine’s intelligence service. Is it possible that some British and/or American intelligence officers had an inkling of what was going to happen? Yes, I think that is highly likely. The one thing I know for certain is that this attack is going to strengthen the will of President Putin, the Russian general staff, and Russia’s intelligence service to put an end to NATO meddling in Ukraine, and the ability of NATO proxies to attack the Russian people. Whoever approved this badly miscalculated and will pay a terrible, but well deserved, price.
So what do you think? Western directed or rogue operation?
That's the whole motive. If the CIA and the deep swamp think Biden is out the door, they would go out of their way to make sure that Trump has a war to contend with.
I’m still awaiting an answer from you to my question in post 90 above. Still awake?
We may never know the truth. But, as Pilot said to Jesus: “What is Truth?” It was a botched job in any case. What we will have is this:
1) Biden’s Truth; It was ISIS, see we have video! Not US!
2) Putin’s Truth; It was Ukraine with help of CIA.
3) Zelensky’s Truth; We didn’t do it—Putin did it himself.
4) The Real Truth; ?
This must be an important propaganda op on FR - they’ve re-activated nickie.
No, they shouldn’t be rejected.
I don’t have “A” therefore “A” is false is an invalid argument.
There’s a reason the conclusion in court is not guilty.
It doesn’t mean innocent.
If you don’t understand, I can’t explain it further.
If you have an alternative view of origins of the Moscow terror attack, then state your proposition and advance your evidence in comparison to my presentation. That is how courts and reasoned discussion work. The side with the best evidence and most persuasive logic prevails. Adamant disbelief against the facts fails.
“This must be an important propaganda op on FR - they’ve re-activated nickie.”
Yep, these single-issue types that go dark for months, if not years, are a real pest here, since actual FReepers don’t go dark like that.
See eye ay
“ The terrorists were heading for Belarus, not Ukraine.”
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Well, I asked you (post 90 above) for the specific location where the terrorists were retained and I received no reply.
So here it is:
53°04’47.4”N 34°33’16.7”E
You can go to Google maps or other search sites to see the spot on the map and zoom in or out to see the surroundings.
Have a good day.
None of us possess enough knowledge to accurately conclude what occurred in Moscow. It is speculation on all sides.
My argument with you was in regards to critical thinking/logic.
It doesn’t matter how many items point towards “A” being true, it doesn’t make “B” false. It requires just one correct negation.
You could have a bunch of circumstantial evidence pointing to Bob as being the murderer. Financial incentive, scorned lover, previous acts of violence…
But a video of him across town at the time of the murder negates everything circumstantial.
It’s quite possible that multiple theories about the Moscow attack are partially true. It could involve ISIS, and it could involve the CIA. Just run the truth tables.
Either way, innocents have been murdered and there will be payback.
How many Iraqis flew planes into buildings on 9/11?
How many Saudis?
Which country was destroyed?
Ukrainians may have been down with it
Id be suspect they facilitated it
My son has read some of the Terrorists has uke neo Nazi insignia on their clothing or gear
Who knows
One Chechen who caught one of them cut off his ear and forced him to eat it
There’s video on 4chan of that snack
Safe to say most Chechens follow their leader a Putin ally
As for the attack on Moscow, the evidence of ISIS involvement is already persuasive: ISIS claimed the attack as theirs and provided video that was shot on the scene by the attackers as proof. In addition, as reported by Russian authorities, the attackers used passports from Tajikistan and at least some were Tajiks. There is no valid basis for thinking that Ukraine was involved.
For generations, Tajikistan and other Muslim states to the south of Russia have been a security concern. As for pointing fingers at the CIA, US influence and credibility in that region collapsed after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.
You are simply incorrect on all levels.
Your experience has zero effect on truth and logic.
I get that. Your say so and nothing else defines what is “truth and logic.”
No, again you’re wrong.
It’s not my say or your say. My experience is equally as useless as yours with respect to fact and logic.
They are absolute, devoid of anyone.
Instead of pontifications about facts and logic, how about some actual facts and logic that support your position that someone and something other than Muslim terrorists and Russian security lapses are responsible for the Moscow terror attack?
I was discussing logic and critical thinking the entire time.
I shouldn’t have used any real world example.
I don’t care who did it. Russia will find out, or blame whoever they choose.
They are going to go scorched earth on people for it. I remember Beslan.
All of this f’ing around in Ukraine/Russia is a very dangerous game some are playing.
We will no longer be “we” if all illegals aren’t thrown out, and all positions aren’t merit based.
Russia is so far from America’s biggest problem. It barely even requires admission of existence.
Why do you care about who is behind the attack in Moscow?
Islam has been in a perpetual state of war with everything in all places since its foundation. When they say they want to kill me, everyone I know, my country, my religion and claim credit when horrific terror attacks occur, I believe them.
The October 7 attack on Israel has caused me to increase my sense of caution in public spaces. Moreover, my home and where I shop for groceries in the Orlando area are close to the Pulse nightclub that was attacked by a Muslim terrorist, Al Queda had a cell here before 9/11, several of the hijackers came through the Orlando International airport and may have stayed locally, and the Muslim population here is loud and aggressive.
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