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MOSCOW TERROR ATTACK — ROGUE UKRAINIAN OP OR WESTERN BACKED?
Sonar 21 ^ | 23 March 2024 | by Larry Johnson

Posted on 03/24/2024 3:17:38 PM PDT by Kazan

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To: for-q-clinton
"And possibly get Russia to use more deadly weapons in Ukraine, dragging the US into the war."

That's the whole motive. If the CIA and the deep swamp think Biden is out the door, they would go out of their way to make sure that Trump has a war to contend with.

101 posted on 03/24/2024 7:28:49 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: freeandfreezing

I’m still awaiting an answer from you to my question in post 90 above. Still awake?


102 posted on 03/24/2024 7:32:56 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: jjotto

We may never know the truth. But, as Pilot said to Jesus: “What is Truth?” It was a botched job in any case. What we will have is this:
1) Biden’s Truth; It was ISIS, see we have video! Not US!
2) Putin’s Truth; It was Ukraine with help of CIA.
3) Zelensky’s Truth; We didn’t do it—Putin did it himself.
4) The Real Truth; ?


103 posted on 03/24/2024 8:08:21 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (. )
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To: BobL

This must be an important propaganda op on FR - they’ve re-activated nickie.


104 posted on 03/24/2024 8:10:51 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Odessa doink?)
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To: mass55th; Kazan; EEGator; jjotto
Logically, scenarios and possibilities without evidence should be rejected. Not only did ISIS claim credit and posted a video of the actual attack, but four terrorists were captured after fleeing the scene. Russia's interior ministry said they were foreign nationals, with one of them from Tajikistan. Passports from Tajikistan were also found in the car.
105 posted on 03/24/2024 8:16:56 PM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham

No, they shouldn’t be rejected.
I don’t have “A” therefore “A” is false is an invalid argument.

There’s a reason the conclusion in court is not guilty.
It doesn’t mean innocent.

If you don’t understand, I can’t explain it further.


106 posted on 03/24/2024 8:25:56 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

If you have an alternative view of origins of the Moscow terror attack, then state your proposition and advance your evidence in comparison to my presentation. That is how courts and reasoned discussion work. The side with the best evidence and most persuasive logic prevails. Adamant disbelief against the facts fails.


107 posted on 03/25/2024 1:07:38 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: kiryandil

“This must be an important propaganda op on FR - they’ve re-activated nickie.”

Yep, these single-issue types that go dark for months, if not years, are a real pest here, since actual FReepers don’t go dark like that.


108 posted on 03/25/2024 1:35:40 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Kazan

See eye ay


109 posted on 03/25/2024 4:49:47 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: freeandfreezing

“ The terrorists were heading for Belarus, not Ukraine.”
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Well, I asked you (post 90 above) for the specific location where the terrorists were retained and I received no reply.

So here it is:

53°04’47.4”N 34°33’16.7”E

You can go to Google maps or other search sites to see the spot on the map and zoom in or out to see the surroundings.

Have a good day.


110 posted on 03/25/2024 5:57:38 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: Rockingham

None of us possess enough knowledge to accurately conclude what occurred in Moscow. It is speculation on all sides.

My argument with you was in regards to critical thinking/logic.
It doesn’t matter how many items point towards “A” being true, it doesn’t make “B” false. It requires just one correct negation.

You could have a bunch of circumstantial evidence pointing to Bob as being the murderer. Financial incentive, scorned lover, previous acts of violence…
But a video of him across town at the time of the murder negates everything circumstantial.

It’s quite possible that multiple theories about the Moscow attack are partially true. It could involve ISIS, and it could involve the CIA. Just run the truth tables.

Either way, innocents have been murdered and there will be payback.
How many Iraqis flew planes into buildings on 9/11?
How many Saudis?
Which country was destroyed?


111 posted on 03/25/2024 6:35:31 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Kazan

Ukrainians may have been down with it

Id be suspect they facilitated it

My son has read some of the Terrorists has uke neo Nazi insignia on their clothing or gear

Who knows

One Chechen who caught one of them cut off his ear and forced him to eat it

There’s video on 4chan of that snack

Safe to say most Chechens follow their leader a Putin ally


112 posted on 03/25/2024 6:45:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (. A disease in the public mind)
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To: EEGator
In the real world, evidence is assessed and judgments made, with hypothetical possibilities built on mere imagination and supposition rejected for lack of evidence. I know how it is done, having been in more than a few courtrooms and assessed and argued legal and factual issues from death penalty cases to small claims.

As for the attack on Moscow, the evidence of ISIS involvement is already persuasive: ISIS claimed the attack as theirs and provided video that was shot on the scene by the attackers as proof. In addition, as reported by Russian authorities, the attackers used passports from Tajikistan and at least some were Tajiks. There is no valid basis for thinking that Ukraine was involved.

For generations, Tajikistan and other Muslim states to the south of Russia have been a security concern. As for pointing fingers at the CIA, US influence and credibility in that region collapsed after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.

113 posted on 03/25/2024 7:19:30 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham

You are simply incorrect on all levels.

Your experience has zero effect on truth and logic.


114 posted on 03/25/2024 7:22:15 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

I get that. Your say so and nothing else defines what is “truth and logic.”


115 posted on 03/25/2024 8:58:46 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham

No, again you’re wrong.

It’s not my say or your say. My experience is equally as useless as yours with respect to fact and logic.
They are absolute, devoid of anyone.


116 posted on 03/25/2024 9:13:04 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Instead of pontifications about facts and logic, how about some actual facts and logic that support your position that someone and something other than Muslim terrorists and Russian security lapses are responsible for the Moscow terror attack?


117 posted on 03/25/2024 9:38:42 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham

I was discussing logic and critical thinking the entire time.
I shouldn’t have used any real world example.

I don’t care who did it. Russia will find out, or blame whoever they choose.
They are going to go scorched earth on people for it. I remember Beslan.

All of this f’ing around in Ukraine/Russia is a very dangerous game some are playing.

We will no longer be “we” if all illegals aren’t thrown out, and all positions aren’t merit based.
Russia is so far from America’s biggest problem. It barely even requires admission of existence.
Why do you care about who is behind the attack in Moscow?


118 posted on 03/25/2024 9:51:07 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: drSteve78

Islam has been in a perpetual state of war with everything in all places since its foundation. When they say they want to kill me, everyone I know, my country, my religion and claim credit when horrific terror attacks occur, I believe them.


119 posted on 03/25/2024 10:33:38 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: EEGator
I "care" about who is responsible for the Moscow attack because it helps to calibrate the terror threat. Even when in Israel or Russia, a successful major attack by terrorists inspires emulation and raises the terror threat level in the US.

The October 7 attack on Israel has caused me to increase my sense of caution in public spaces. Moreover, my home and where I shop for groceries in the Orlando area are close to the Pulse nightclub that was attacked by a Muslim terrorist, Al Queda had a cell here before 9/11, several of the hijackers came through the Orlando International airport and may have stayed locally, and the Muslim population here is loud and aggressive.

120 posted on 03/25/2024 11:46:55 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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