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Nikki Haley's Opposition to Anonymity in Social Media and the Public Square Is Disqualifying and Historically Ignorant
Red State ^ | 11/15/2023 | Jennifer Van Laar

Posted on 11/15/2023 6:49:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Nikki Haley made a huge unforced error Tuesday in the 2024 Republican presidential primary when she said that one of the first things she'd do as President of the United States is require that social media companies ban anonymous accounts and that they verify all of their users by name. Haley was roundly criticized over this likely unconstitutional plan, which is so tone-deaf that one could easily believe that she just spoke without thinking and would surely issue a statement walking it back a bit.

Nope. Apparently this is a plan she'd been thinking about and developing talking points about for awhile, because in addition to her initial comments on Fox News Channel, Haley said basically the same thing on the Ruthless podcast - only worse.

Nikki Haley doubles down on her vow to have social media companies ban anonymous accounts and have all users verified by name in the interest of “national security”:

“They need to verify every single person on their outlet… I want *everybody’s* name.”pic.twitter.com/S8pSLhDgzO— Michael P Senger (@michaelpsenger) November 14, 2023

Prior to Haley's comments contained in the video above, the entire discussion was about Israel, Joe Biden's response, and the level of latent antisemitism on the left in the United States and globally. Somehow Haley turned that around, complaining that since October 7 people aren't talking about inflation or... China and social media.

But you know what no one's talking about is -- first of all, the antisemitism was there. It was always bubbling up. It was always a concern. This just brought it to a whole new level. But what no one is talking about that is, to me, a huge issue that I'll deal with as soon as I get there, is social media.

The fact that Haley basically said, "Yeah, this raging antisemitism on the left in this country is no big deal because it's always been there, and I'm kinda mad that since Hamas started raping and killing women and burning babies in ovens nobody's talking about China, so I'm turning the conversation to my Orwellian proposal" and didn't get called out on that shows how horrifically bad her proposal is. She continued:

So when you look at social media's role in the division of our country, the first thing I'm gonna do is go to those social media companies and say, "You have to show us your algorithms." I want the country to see the algorithms, so that you can see how these companies move.

The second thing is, they need to verify every single person on their...outlet, because -- and I want it by name. Because when you --

Haley was then interrupted by the podcast hosts because one of them, Comfortably Smug, has used a pen name online for years, although he was doxxed by the left. They asked, what about Smug?

If Smug is on your driver's license -- and look, you can put Smug in parentheses, but I want everybody's name, because guess what that does? It gets rid of the Iranian bots, the Russian bots, the Chinese bots, and the North Korean bots.

When you look at the misinformation that is causing Americans to do this, who is it coming from? 

Haley continued:

This is a national security threat. They are giving the narrative to the American people....

It's not clear which was filmed first, and it really doesn't matter, because Haley's rights-eroding proposal is disqualifying, in addition to being historically ignorant and a bureaucratic/logistical/personal security nightmare.

While at least two RedState writers have already discussed the Constitutional issue immediately raised, even people like Byron York said, "Hey, wait a minute...." York asked about her comments and whether they raise "troubling issues of privacy and freedom of speech," and Haley's campaign responded thusly:

I asked the Haley campaign about her statements advocating mandatory ID and verification of all social media users. Doesn't that raise troubling issues of privacy and freedom of speech? Below is Haley's initial statement and then the campaign's response:


https://t.co/QcN6emgrcQ pic.twitter.com/1deVKY42ly— Byron York (@ByronYork) November 15, 2023

In case you can't read the statement, it says: 

We all know that America's enemies use anonymous bots to sow anti-American lies and sow chaos and division within our borders. Nikki believes social media companies need to do a better job verifying users so we can crack down on Chinese, Iranian, and Russian bots. That's common sense.

No, it's not common sense.

First, "a better job verifying users" is quite different from wanting social media companies to keep a list, and very different from having them provide government with a list.

And, what's the problem, Nikki? In the two media appearances, two different reasons were given for this draconian proposal. Is it about regular Americans who get caught up in anonymous bullying online, or is it about counteracting foreign bots bent on influencing culture/elections? Or both?

If it's about individual citizens getting caught up in bullying campaigns, social media platforms already have procedures in place (whether they use them properly or at all is a discussion for another post) to punish individual users who engage in targeted harassment, doxxing, or other bullying, or accounts using the platform to coordinate harassment. And, plenty of people still engage in this behavior using accounts with their true name and photo, so government-mandated ID verification won't have the effect she allegedly desires.

If it's about counteracting foreign bots bent on influencing American culture/elections, Haley's proposed solution wouldn't affect that, and platforms already have at least some procedures for identifying/removing bots. Does she think that the people employing the bots can't find a way around ID verification? Is she proposing not allowing people in other countries to "talk" to Americans online? Good luck with that.

She's also ignoring two important factors:

First, that the United States government and various politicians/political groups use bots and social media manipulation to influence public discussion.

Second, to a large extent it's those social media manipulation efforts - the ones managed domestically, especially the Global Engagement Center - that are "giving the narrative to the American people." Does she really want that whole racket exposed even further? I mean, I know that I do, but Nikki Haley and I aren't exactly on the same page when it comes to our views on Big Brother Government.

The knee-jerk reaction is that the plan is likely unconstitutional.

Some defending Haley's remarks compare anonymous political social media posts with BLM/Antifa/professional leftist "protesters" carrying out riots while wearing masks, and say that neither should be acceptable. However, there's a big difference between believing rioters shouldn't be wearing full mask regalia and instituting a law requiring that those demonstrating in person should be required to show their ID -- and that ID be verified -- before entering the public square. And what Haley is proposing is the digital equivalent of having ID verification before being allowed to freely speak.

Even assuming that Haley's solution would actually be effective in making social media a wonderland where free speech is protected while harassment and propaganda are stifled, and that social media companies are able to quickly and correctly implement such a massive IT project (a huge assumption), we already know that our information isn't safe anywhere. It's stunning that less than a year after the Twitter Files came out Haley would make such a proposal, knowing that federal agents and big tech employees had unfettered access to any user's personal information, including IP addresses from where they'd logged in to their account and used that access to harass people. Mandatory pre-speech doxxing would only make that worse - and boy would it present a shiny, valuable target to Chinese, Iranian, and Russian hackers. The government can't keep sensitive personnel information (even of those who work undercover in the intelligence community) out of the hands of foreign malicious actors, so it's naive to think that a private company - which can monetize that data - would do any better.

Haley claims that this power grab is needed for national security, but it forces those who want to exercise their First Amendment rights online to take a huge personal security risk. Not everyone uses their full legal name professionally, as Haley knows too well. She generously told Comfortably Smug that he could put "Smug" in parentheses in his username. Would "Nikki" be in parentheses for her? What about people (like me) who use a different last name than the one on their driver's license professionally, for security? Or a stage name? Or whistleblowers? Or abused women?

As Teri Christoph wrote Tuesday:

And many people choose to use pseudonyms to avoid being doxxed or having their employers harassed. Has Haley somehow missed that conservatives have been on the receiving end of such abuse for years? Sure, get rid of the bots, but forcing people to verify their accounts, which often isn't free, makes for terrible policy.

Let's not forget that the phenomenon of Americans using pen names or pseudonyms to publish their political speech isn't new. Any time there's an attempted paradigm shift in the public discourse, those leading the way are generally vilified by those who benefit from the current system. It's not easy and can be personally and professionally dangerous to express views that aren't politically correct, or to expose corruption or malfeasance. That's why three of our founding fathers wrote the Federalist Papers under the pen name "Publius." It's why Benjamin Franklin wrote letters to the editor under the name "Silence Dogood." During the Constitutional debates, dozens of people on both sides of the issue (Federalists and Anti-Federalists) used pen names to publish tracts aimed at persuading the public. Sure, it's easier these days for foreign governments to employ this type of information warfare, but it's ignorant to think it didn't happen before. We know that foreign saboteurs have plied their trade here for centuries, and we've done the same.

That Haley either doesn't know all of this, or that she pushes for such government overreach despite that knowledge, is, in my opinion, disqualifying in a Republican candidate for President of the United States.

UPDATE: 2:20 PM EST, November 15, 2023

Haley's campaign told Phillip Wegman that "she believes 'Americans have a right to free speech including having anonymous accounts on social media'" followed by a jab at Ron DeSantis.

Her walk-back still doesn't acknowledge that it's more than foreign bad actors spreading "chaos and anti-American filth among our people" and the problem that creates, nor does it explain why she went out of her way to parrot her proposal twice.



TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 1984; anonymity; klausschwab; nevertrumper; nevertrumpers; nikkihaley; prisonplanet; socialmedia; southcarolina; wef
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1 posted on 11/15/2023 6:49:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

She’s a Satanist and should be at 0%. Faux News Murdoch Moloch gang elevates her.


2 posted on 11/15/2023 6:53:25 PM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: SeekAndFind

I seriously wonder if she has ever even read the constitution!


3 posted on 11/15/2023 6:54:14 PM PST by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as )
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To: SeekAndFind

If elites get away with this, it won’t be long before they demand users register their passwords.


4 posted on 11/15/2023 6:54:18 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Well, if they treat the first amendment like they do the second amendment. Then yes.


5 posted on 11/15/2023 6:56:30 PM PST by Reno89519 (It's war. No one murders and takes Americans hostage. Time to act. Declare war on Islamic Hamas.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll say this for her: At least she’s not pretending to be a conservative. Unlike plenty of other Republicans over the years.


6 posted on 11/15/2023 6:57:23 PM PST by lasereye
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To: SeekAndFind

Haley is shrill and her face looks like the surface of the moon


7 posted on 11/15/2023 6:57:36 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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To: TomGuy

And their devices!


8 posted on 11/15/2023 6:58:02 PM PST by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as )
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To: SeekAndFind
Let's not forget that the phenomenon of Americans using pen names or pseudonyms to publish their political speech isn't new.

No it's not. What is new is allowing foreigners abroad the same platform as American citizens at home. Typically, the globalists eff everything up, and then want to limit the constitutional rights of Americans. The solution is to limit foreigners from America, and American media platforms. Nikki can always run for office in India, where they have different traditions.
9 posted on 11/15/2023 6:58:10 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: SeekAndFind

Every writer these days is breathless in their drama.


10 posted on 11/15/2023 7:01:35 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember she is the establishment and big donor candidate. She doesn’t care about anyone else. Romney with a vagina.


11 posted on 11/15/2023 7:04:54 PM PST by alternatives?
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To: Dr. Franklin
What is new is allowing foreigners abroad the same platform as American citizens at home

Books, pamphlets, letters and newspapers written by foreigners have been available here in North America since before our nation was founded. Do you really think nobody in 1776 had access to books and letters from foreigners?

Early Libraries in America

By the way, Ben Franklin started one of those libraries in 1731.

12 posted on 11/15/2023 7:06:59 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: SeekAndFind

“Speaking Monday, Hochul announced that the state is “very focused on the data we’re collecting from surveillance efforts [and] what’s being said on social media platforms,” admitting to government surveillance. What is more, Hochul said they have “launched an effort to be able to counter some of the negativity and reach out to people” when they see what they deem to be “hate speech being spoken about on online platforms.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023 ... ial-media/

What they might do is allow a web site continue on collecting money while they continue collecting data on you.
Good luck to you all.


13 posted on 11/15/2023 7:09:49 PM PST by crz
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To: SeekAndFind

She was dead to me anyway, so I wouldn’t care except that there are .gov terrorists who would happily take this policy out of the shadows and make it the law of the land.


14 posted on 11/15/2023 7:11:55 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: freeandfreezing
Books, pamphlets, letters and newspapers written by foreigners have been available here in North America since before our nation was founded. Do you really think nobody in 1776 had access to books and letters from foreigners?

Social media is different from a library. It's more of a chat than a book. Americans in 1776 were far less likely to consider the opinion of anonymous foreigners about their social situation while the founders all read Rousseau's books and treatises. It's not the same.
15 posted on 11/15/2023 7:12:00 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: SeekAndFind
Perhaps we should test our Nikki's idea by first requiring all government employees, with no exceptions, to register their actual name, home address, phone number, and place of employment in a public database, along with each of their social media accounts. Every 30 days all of their communications with anyone outside of the government will be released to the public.

Obviously that will make some federal jobs more difficult, because all federal employees will have to use their actual names, but we can see how a total lack of privacy works for some of our citizens before we consider Nikki's idea more generally.

Of course Nikki will have to start using Nimrata, since nobody will be allowed to use anything other than their legal name.

16 posted on 11/15/2023 7:12:13 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Dr. Franklin
It's not the same.

You just adopted the argument that "muskets aren't the same as modern rifles".

Actually it is the same. Americans founded our nation in large part based on the ideas they learned from reading books written by foreigners.

What's wrong with reading the opinions of people from all over the world? How else can we understand what other people are thinking?

When it comes to Nikki's fear of "disinformation" from "bots" she apparently ignores that the most critical disinformation comes right from our own media, intellectuals, and government.

17 posted on 11/15/2023 7:16:55 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
You just adopted the argument that "muskets aren't the same as modern rifles".

Hardly.

Actually it is the same. Americans founded our nation in large part based on the ideas they learned from reading books written by foreigners.

The Federalist Papers were not written by foreigners pretending to be Americans. You missed the point.

What's wrong with reading the opinions of people from all over the world? How else can we understand what other people are thinking?

If Russians want to write their opinions of things, people prefer to know they are Russians, and presume they come from Russian troll farms. People call them trolls because they are simply trying to manipulate American opinion for Putin, and rightfully tune them out. The same is true of Chinese communist party operatives. Americans don't like to be manipulated by foreigners pretending to be Americans. Responsible social media would limit such accounts, or identify them as such.

When it comes to Nikki's fear of "disinformation" from "bots" she apparently ignores that the most critical disinformation comes right from our own media, intellectuals, and government.

Yes, but that doesn't mean we also aren't getting disinformation campaigns from foreigners. No serious person has time for that crap.
18 posted on 11/15/2023 7:31:21 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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She’s not even using her real name running for President and she wants to ban Americans from being anonymous on the internet ?


19 posted on 11/15/2023 7:36:23 PM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: SeekAndFind

She is a candidate going nowhere, but what is scary is that she is broadcasting the plans for the establishment, and establishment usually eventually gets what they want


20 posted on 11/15/2023 7:37:03 PM PST by MNDude
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