Posted on 05/06/2023 7:05:21 AM PDT by Rummyfan
"Riders on the subway deserve to have a ride where they don’t feel threatened. And the mentally ill deserve to have the treatment and the protection..." "... that would allow them to work out their struggles in the protected space. We can’t have a subway system that’s both a system of transportation and housing for the homeless. Those are incompatible goals."
Said Gregory Umbach, associate professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, quoted in "After homeless man choked on subway, NYC grapples with treatment of mentally ill" (WaPo).
The incident makes me think of Bernhard Goetz, and reading on, I see he's briefly mentioned in the article:
One of the most famous incidents occurred in 1984, when Bernhard Goetz, a White man, shot four Black teenagers he said he believed were going to rob him. Goetz became a folk hero in a city dealing with sky-high crime. The media called him the “Subway Vigilante.”...
It would be good to say more about why he became a folk hero. It is, I think, evidence of how oppressed ordinary people felt about what they had been forced to endure on the subway — or felt forced to endure. Goetz represented the idea of somehow fighting for your right to be left alone in this public space.
But the Goetz case was different. The young men he shot were simply criminals, robbers, on the subway to find victims. Neely was, it seems, mentally ill and on the subway for shelter.
(Excerpt) Read more at althouse.blogspot.com ...
Separate cars.
We can’t have a subway system that’s both a system of transportation and housing for the homeless. Those are incompatible goals.”
Public transportation sucks.
Homeless housing was the goal. Got it.
So they’re going to reopen mental institutions?
Criminals don’t need more so-called “treatment” that doesn’t work. They need the moral standards, punishment, and boundaries that they never got as kids.
I remember reading a story about Bernie Goetz a few years ago.
Years after the incident, he walked into a bank - the teller recognized him and said loudly “Hey everyone, Bernie Goetz is here!”
The entire bank stood up and applauded long and loud.
“We can’t have a subway system that’s both a system of transportation and housing for the homeless. Those are incompatible goals.”
An amazing grasp of the obvious.
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AND THEY NEED TO BE SEPERATED!
I was on a New York subway going to work one day, about 40 years ago during rush hour. I was surprised to see an empty car and ran to get in it. When the doors closed, I realized why it was empty - a man sat naked from the waist down and there was a heaping pile of poo in front of him. It was the longest trip to the next stop for me. They never took care of the problem, so of course it has grown and grown. I think about how I survived working in New York City, and that was BEFORE Rudy Guiliani took over.
“Riders on the subway deserve to have a ride where they don’t feel threatened.”
Boy Howdy, there is a racist sentence, if I never hear one/
Housing for then homeless won’t work. The mentally ill homeless don’t want that.
What they NEED is mental institutions where they can be treated and stabilized. And sadly, some people will never be able to be on their own. It is no infringement on their freedom and dignity to protect them from themselves.
We already have a big one here in the U.S. Its called New York City.
It’s kind of baffling how a law-abiding citizen like Jordan Neely ended up there.
With AI, sort of, but the mental wards, prisons, and drug rehabs will be virtual, with retracting cables used to restrict movements. It will be possible to identify most Demonrats by their court-ordered cables.
Wall it off. Nobody gets in or out.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Sorry — got the names mixed up. I thought Jordan Neely was the “vigilante” in that incident.
I had quite the same experiences -- plural -- in NYC. Additionally, a colleague of mine "enjoyed" a beating by feral youths at the 66th street station, which contributed to his losing a job he was applying for. Haven't been back in decades now, and passed up the invitation to participate as a speaker in a seminar there. The honorarium was not enough of a lure.
The left don’t want the mentally Ill treated- they want them out there causing as much havoc and destruction as they can so that they can blame conservatives for “not being serious about banning guns”
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