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Due to news blackouts on both sides and cooperation by social media on the ground, getting reliable information out of the Kherson area is difficult and delayed. This is expected given how important this area is in the conflict.

My 2¢ and half guesses:

What this shows is, there is in fact a Russia withdrawal from Kherson, and their hold on the area is at risk.

The operation Ukraine is conducting in Kherson is a seige, not a dramatic "Thunder Run". Ukraine largely cut off the Russian army in Kherson, then worked to take out bridges and resupply, and waited. Russia can not hold as much as they want as their supplies are all getting depleted. In response they are getting their civilans out and trying to build up stronger defensable positions to cover the withdrawal and hold out.

The fighthing in Kherson is going at a snail's pace for both sides. When looking at miltary operations for the last 30 years like Desert Storm, this is not what Western audiences following the news think a miltary operation looks like. For Ukraine, they want to get Kherson intact. For Russia, they want to lose as little as possible and drag it out as long as possible. Both sides are going slow by necessity.

1 posted on 10/22/2022 5:04:26 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr

A pretty good analysis. This is a return to positional warfare.


2 posted on 10/22/2022 5:07:34 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Widget Jr
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/12/a-case-study-in-american-propaganda/

The second thing you may not be aware of is how ideological the academic-sounding Institute for the Study of War is. It has neoconservative roots and is run and staffed by pretty extreme hawks. Over the years it has gotten funding from various corners of the arms industry—General Dynamics, Raytheon, lesser known defense contractors, and big companies, like General Motors, that aren’t known as defense contractors but do get Pentagon contracts.

3 posted on 10/22/2022 5:09:11 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Widget Jr

The assessment is absolute BS. Ukies are getting a royal beatdown in the north of Kherson region, and are currently evacuating Nikolayev.
I can’t exclude that the Russian forces are going to leave Kherson, but that if it is going to be unreasonable to hold to it, like if the Ukies are to finally blow the dam.


4 posted on 10/22/2022 5:14:46 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Widget Jr

The ISW’s “analysis” leaves much to be desired. My assessment (from looking at information sources from BOTH sides - I know, that’s a novel concept here)) is that the Russians are having “non-essential” civilians evacuate from the right bank of the river. That way they won’t have to resupply the civilians’ needs for survival. They’ll be able to focus solely on the logistics needed to support their military forces there. And they are substantially increasing their forces there.


5 posted on 10/22/2022 5:17:55 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: All

What is this institutes track record ?


8 posted on 10/22/2022 5:28:29 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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"Russian withdrawal from western Kherson Oblast has begun."

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, PLOP, PLOP, PLOP... BOOOOOOL-SHEEEEEEETTTT...

Russians HAVE NOT withdrawn from Kherson. They have EVACUATED CIVILIANS, i.e. cleared the decks for action. Hohos need to overthrow the pervocracy in Kiev and save themselves from this nato/neocon meat-grinding process wshich is basically just using theRussian military to reduce the male population of Hohostan ffor the glory of "Gaia"...

10 posted on 10/22/2022 5:32:02 PM PDT by ganeemead
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To: Widget Jr

The Institute For Grifting On War


17 posted on 10/22/2022 5:48:58 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Widget Jr

Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but it looks like another four Ukrainian oblasts will be voting on whether to leave Ukraine and join Russia. Putin’s gettin’ the band back together!


25 posted on 10/22/2022 6:00:09 PM PDT by Blurb2350 (posted from my 1500-watt blow dryer)
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To: Widget Jr

The title should be:

“How to win a battle and lose a war.”


27 posted on 10/22/2022 6:11:00 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Widget Jr

Putin is in it for the long haul and no matter what current conditions are on the ground, Russia is surely rejoicing at the political mess in Britain and the bleeding of the U.S. and European economy, the unsustainable U.S. national debt, spiralling inflation, and expected results of our midterm elections. Their strategy is death by a thousand cuts.


29 posted on 10/22/2022 6:15:05 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Prayers for America.)
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To: Widget Jr; Kazan

Neocon site no offense maybe the best honestly

Alternative news and podcasts are far different

Admittedly one has to look for them

These same sites all readily acknowledged the ukrop advance into kherson a month ago

Media dead silent on Bakhmut

Dang wonder why that is

Whatever happens literally

The Red Army camped in Kiev and Lviv

Zekensky hanging from a lamppost

Western media would describe it a crushing defeat for ol’ Vlad

Don’t doubt me

Yesterday I saw eyewitness accounts that ukrop artillery bombed many civilians targets in Donbas as they have since 2014

One hit an orphanage

Anyone see one word of that on western media

Of course not

And if they did they would say Russia did it

Despite me watching interviews with the obvious victims

Staged of course right?

Those damn Russians are so meanie they love killing the very people who wish to be part of Russia

Makes perfect sense to neo liberals and neo cons

I mean in WWII we bombed hell out of London and Birmingham

We showed those Nazis didn’t we

(Thinking Belushi)


33 posted on 10/22/2022 6:43:48 PM PDT by wardaddy (Sound and Fury Republic now home to more than a few globalists who really love the mainstream media )
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To: sauropod

review


43 posted on 10/23/2022 5:15:06 AM PDT by sauropod (The New York Times' 1619 Project's Nikole Hannah-Jones: "all journalism is activism.")
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To: Widget Jr

Its completely stupid for the ukes to allow the russians to stage an orderly retreat. They should withdraw two thirds of their 40k troops from the west of the dneiper and place them south east of zhaporista in the section of the line that the russians are not heavily defending. then attack south and south west in two pincers. one pincer goes around behind the russian strong point south of zaporisata and the other attacks directly south to undefended rear to melitopol. and then sweep west.

the orderly retreat from kherson will turn into a disorderly rout.


45 posted on 10/23/2022 7:17:12 AM PDT by ckilmer (qui)
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