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The ATF may of thought they had an easy target with the Youtuber since he was just an average Joe with no money for a good lawyer

But Freedom lovin’ Americans came up with money for his defense.

1 posted on 07/18/2022 6:17:38 AM PDT by Pontiac
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Video and helpful links at the article


2 posted on 07/18/2022 6:18:22 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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A block of aluminum is a ‘ghost gun’ by those definitions.


3 posted on 07/18/2022 6:25:18 AM PDT by dynachrome (“We cannot save Ukraine by dooming the US economy.” Rand Paul)
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Matt Hoover was charged, as was Kristopher Ervin, with selling COMPLETED machine guns


Well, if this is true, then in court all they have to do is show the “completed” machine gun to the Jury and demonstrate how it works.🤣


4 posted on 07/18/2022 6:25:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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Not a bad explanation, but...

During the 1930s, crime using automatic weapons like the Thompson Sub Machine Gun and the Browning Automatic Rifle was common

No, it was not. It was the era's version of "School Shootings".

The Thompsons and BARs were very expensive and uncommon. Most used by criminals were stolen from police or national guard armories.

The media of the day made these into sensational criminal tools.

5 posted on 07/18/2022 6:27:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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The ATF should be arresting all of those abortion activists and their hangers, as the coat hanger can be made into a lightning link easily.


6 posted on 07/18/2022 6:31:22 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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I thought AR-15 receivers had a difference in machining that prevented an auto sear from being installed.

CC


8 posted on 07/18/2022 6:38:48 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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The only to protect America from Bidenwacko excess is injunctive relief immediately on the signing of an executive order


10 posted on 07/18/2022 6:43:36 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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By this standard, they might as well declare rubber bands and belt loops automatic weapons.


11 posted on 07/18/2022 6:45:47 AM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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If the presentation above is accurate, the government could equally argue that a stack of scrap metal in my garage might machine itself into an autosear. Therefore the heap of raw metal is a machine gun, no other parts needed. OMG, millions of people are keeping machine guns in their garages and workshops!

ATF needs to be laughed out of court.


12 posted on 07/18/2022 6:46:50 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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P4L


13 posted on 07/18/2022 6:50:58 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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Great informative article. Thanks for posting.


15 posted on 07/18/2022 6:51:11 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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Perhaps of interest.


16 posted on 07/18/2022 6:54:15 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
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Isn’t this close to a First Amendment issue as well as a Second Amendment issue? If the government went after someone who distributed a gif image of an autosear, nobody would hesitate to call that a first amendment issue. Etch the same image into a piece of aluminum instead and distribute it ... ?


17 posted on 07/18/2022 6:56:12 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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i’m pretty sure any ‘machine gun’ would fall under the category of a ‘weapon’ which would be protected by the 2nd amendment.

what justification do they have for limiting my ability to own/use such a weapon? seems if they arrest me for owning (or just advertising) such a weapon, that would obviously be an infringement of my 2nd amendment rights.

how am i wrong here?


19 posted on 07/18/2022 7:00:08 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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If the machine gun ban is overturned, the people will buy literally millions of then in a month.

The government will have no choice but to behave.


21 posted on 07/18/2022 7:03:48 AM PDT by Celerity
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May of… laughing


30 posted on 07/18/2022 7:34:56 AM PDT by webheart
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31 posted on 07/18/2022 7:36:16 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Go straight to You Tube. Now I understand how the thing works.


32 posted on 07/18/2022 7:38:37 AM PDT by jdsteel (Do I really need a /sarc?)
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This case won't overturn the NFA for two reasons.

First, the BATFE is clearly acting lawlessly on the basis of both the 1st Amendment and the separation of powers (delegation doctrine). An etched aluminum card is virtually indistinguishable from a PDF print to scale transparency and is not a finished part. So the courts will have no reason to reach back to the whole NFA.

Second, the courts will rule that full-auto weapons are "unusual and dangerous," and therefore subject to regulation just like destructive devices and artillery. I happen to think that's a crock of bull, but even the Bruen majority is unlikely to back off on that.

34 posted on 07/18/2022 7:43:39 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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Great Info, thanks for posting, first I've heard of this.

Ping to marktwain.

37 posted on 07/18/2022 7:48:36 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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