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There Are Two Fundamentally Irreconcilable Constitutional Visions
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 1 Jul, 2022 | Francis Menton

Posted on 07/02/2022 6:54:30 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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1 posted on 07/02/2022 6:54:30 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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The left does not believe in “law and order”. They believe in “the ends justify the means” and they use backward logic.


2 posted on 07/02/2022 6:54:42 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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The Democrats will spout liberal/socialist/communist tripe, but they really just want easy money…..lots of money.


3 posted on 07/02/2022 6:57:13 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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And, if the progressives can’t order a vegan tofu burger cooked on a vegan-only grill then they want to shut down the restaurant that specializes in Angus cheeseburgers.


4 posted on 07/02/2022 7:03:05 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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Vision 2 is fundamentally the same view that is prevalent in Russia about their Constitution: it can be changed to reflect the prevailing view held by the Leader and minions, either by a direct word change or addition or by legal fiat.


5 posted on 07/02/2022 7:03:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: MtnClimber

There are3 communists on the court. They hate the constitution and want to destroy it. It is that simple.


6 posted on 07/02/2022 7:06:46 AM PDT by EastTexasTraveler
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To: MtnClimber

The fiends!


7 posted on 07/02/2022 7:08:00 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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Learning the Constitution is an educational effort, not a “one and one” deal. The Left has managed to exclude the Constitution (and the Bible) from K-to-12 schools and thus we have an widely ignorant populace - deadly for the perpetuation of freedom and ripe for the subtly of tyranny.

To learn the Constitution, one must learn

1) the context (the development of Anglo-American political thought and concepts)
2) the presumptions,
3) the structure,
4) the text
5) the perversions and wresting over the last 200+ years.

To understand the presumptions of the Constitution, one must begin with the Declaration of Independence (DOI). The DOI contains certain eternal truths that are not subject to time or changes in popular culture. The Constitution is built upon those eternal, unchangeable truths.


8 posted on 07/02/2022 7:08:50 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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“They believe in “the ends justify the means” and they use backward logic”

And this is carrying them to victory.

Fight fire with fire.


9 posted on 07/02/2022 7:12:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains)
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but they really just want easy money

They want you and your children dead, and they're closer than they've ever been.

10 posted on 07/02/2022 7:14:05 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains)
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To: Jim W N

The Constitution has become irrelevant.


11 posted on 07/02/2022 7:14:51 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains)
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Congress therefore gives an expert agency the power to address issues ...

Better than "give," what is going on is "delegate." There is not a new power, only the same legislatve one. The institution responsible is still Congress.

The reason the country is not drilling for petroleum is that Congress allows the Bureau of Land Management to shut it off.

The reason inflation is high is 100% Congress, which has the power to regulate the value of money.

12 posted on 07/02/2022 7:15:01 AM PDT by Cboldt
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I consider the US Constitution as humanly perfect as any governing document on this planet can be. Written by God-inspired men (who had human flaws yet still managed to create the foundation that allowed this country’s evolution and greatness to happen.

The problem with it, if one could call it that, is that it requires honest, ethical peoples to follow, nurture and enforce it.

With respect to the article’s Vision 2, its flaw is that it falls with in the need for “honest and ethical” people to ......category.

IOW? Vision 1.....short and sweet.... WORDS MEAN THINGS.

Vision 2? Go find another country and write your own Constitution, then...


13 posted on 07/02/2022 7:18:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Better than "give," what is going on is "delegate." There is not a new power, only the same legislatve one. The institution responsible is still Congress.

The Congress is not allowed, by the Constitution, to delegate its power.

To do so destroys the structure of the Constitution by allowing all power to come to rest in one structure.

This is why the non-delegation doctrine is used in Supreme Court cases.

14 posted on 07/02/2022 7:28:55 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MtnClimber

We cannot allow candidates for SCOTUR to evade close scrutiny as to which of these two vision they subscribe to. Feankly, that goes for any candidate for public office. Litmus test? Hell yes!


15 posted on 07/02/2022 7:30:00 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew ("Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." -G.K. Chesterton)
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R is rather close to S for this fat finger.


16 posted on 07/02/2022 7:30:51 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew ("Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." -G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Jim Noble

Might as well say truth has become irrelevant. To whom?

If you’re on the Left, yes, truth and the Constitution are irrelevant because the Left, the embodiment of the spirit of antichrist, is among those “who do not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved, and for this reason God sends them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie” (2 Thess. 2:10-11). Hence the “Delusional Lying Left.”

To those who love freedom and faith, the truth, the Constitution, and the fight for freedom is always relevant because freedom, worth fighting and dying for, is hardly won and easily lost.

Hope you’re not in the first group, but if not, sure sounds like you’re a POW or an MIA. Again, you might as well say truth has become irrelevant. To whom? You? Then I feel sorry for you.


17 posted on 07/02/2022 7:41:13 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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The Constitution is an archaic document adopted more than 200 years ago, and largely obsolete. The role of the courts is to implement the current priorities of the academic left...

False dichotomies may get clicks but they don't enlighten.

18 posted on 07/02/2022 7:44:15 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: marktwain

Whatever the terminology, and I understand “non delegation” (the agency can;t make laws, US Code, so it makes rules, Code of Federal Regulation), whatever the agency is doing flows from Congress. What Congress giveth, Congress can take away.

Congress has _______ (you pick the word) some part of its power.


19 posted on 07/02/2022 7:46:55 AM PDT by Cboldt
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The details and commentary on the dissents listed breakdown to what these Justices were taught as L-1 students all those years ago: when the law is on your side, pound the law; when the facts are on your side, pound the facts; when neither the law nor the facts are on your side, pound the table. All of the dissents arise from Vision 2 which is merely pounding the table because you have nothing else.


20 posted on 07/02/2022 7:54:04 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't. )
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