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There Are Two Fundamentally Irreconcilable Constitutional Visions
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 1 Jul, 2022 | Francis Menton

Posted on 07/02/2022 6:54:30 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: Gaffer

“My contention is that it requires a citizenry ready, willing and informed enough to ensure its principles [our Constitution] are maintained.”

A lot of our citizens (y ilictos) are having their rent and medical care paid for in violation of the Founding Fathers’ wishes.


41 posted on 07/02/2022 9:28:29 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

I don’t disagree with your kickback or comments. My final comment is “show me something better, anywhere.” It all goes back to more than 200 years of le3ftists constantly trying to find some way to weasel out a way around the document. My original contention about the goodness of our Constitution still stands.

I just don’t get all the arguing about it. As I said, I’m just too old and tired now and at the point of just giving it all up. I’ll still vote, but that’s it.


42 posted on 07/02/2022 9:32:58 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Brian Griffin

I don’t consider much of them citizens, frankly. They are either here by leftists’ machinations or have been completely corrupted by them by media, government schools and RINOs who are too entirely comfortable with the second-tier power leftists in power give them.


43 posted on 07/02/2022 9:36:00 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MtnClimber
In 2020, 45,222 Americans were killed by firearms. See Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Fast Facts: Firearm Violence Prevention (last updated May 4, 2022) (CDC, Fast Facts), https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/ firearms/fastfact.html. Since the start of this year (2022), there have been 277 reported mass shootings—an average of more than one per day. See Gun Violence Archive (last visited June 20, 2022), https://www.gunviolence archive.org. Gun violence has now surpassed motor vehicle crashes as the leading cause of death among children and adolescents. J. Goldstick, R. Cunningham, & P. Carter, Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States, 386 New England J. Med. 1955 (May 19, 2022) (Goldstick).

This is a good opportunity to debunk these misleading "child deaths involving firearms" arguments. The study has been pushed by all the main media outlets in recent weeks, i.e., concurrent with Buffalo and Uvalde. They will continue to use faulty statistics and bogus information to put forward a fabricated argument.

The gun data referenced above about child/adolescent death is from the CDC. We now know the CDC provides data that fits its agenda; in this case, gun control. The CDC gets it from a University of Michigan Institute for Firearm Injury Prevention study published in April. No agenda there! The NEJM article uses the same study - Goldstick, Cunningham and Carter published it and are all with the IFIP.

An article debunking the study here:

lU. of Michigan Study Slants the Data With Adult Deaths to Claim a Spike in Children’s Firearm Mortality

excerpt:

”As the authors point out, total firearm-related deaths for people 1-19, including suicide, homicide, unintentional and undetermined intents, were the leading category at a total of 4,357 deaths, overtaking vehicle-related deaths for the first time. This is an alarming number for anyone to wrap their head around.

Upon further analysis, though, it’s clear why the authors included adults in the study. Almost half of the reported deaths, 47.9 percent, originate in the 18- and 19-year-old adult victims.

Including adults in a “children mortality study” is clearly a ruse to pad the firearm-related death numbers for institutional interests. Correcting the parameters to only include children, aged 1 to 17, the leading mechanism of death switches back from firearms to motor vehicles, the historic leading cause of death for this demographic."

Just guessing, but the likelihood is high that the 18- and 19-year-old adult victims reside in inner-city/urban areas.

Interesting article that gives context to the CDC’s institutional bias against gun ownership.

The One about the CDC and Guns / Published October 17, 2017

44 posted on 07/02/2022 10:07:00 AM PDT by yelostar
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To: MtnClimber

“The left does not believe in “law and order”. They believe in “the ends justify the means” and they use backward logic.”

No, they believe in THEIR laws and their orders. And you better follow them.


45 posted on 07/02/2022 10:53:06 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Jim Noble

“The Constitution has become irrelevant.”

Until these three ruling, I thought the same thing.


46 posted on 07/02/2022 10:58:48 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: aquila48
Until these three rulings

I loved them, too. Especially for clarity and finality.

But the DS is about to do to the Court what they did to the Presidency 2017-2021, and I don't think the rulings have a snowball's chance in Hell of being enforced.

47 posted on 07/02/2022 11:11:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains)
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To: Jim Noble
"The Constitution has become irrelevant."

Not so! You haven't succeeded yet...

48 posted on 07/02/2022 11:13:58 AM PDT by TXnMA (The Democrat Party has a single-element strategy: CHEATING... )
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To: Cboldt

The other pernicious effect of all these agencies is that they’re under the control of the executive, ie, the president. And he gets to appoints all the heads and subheads of those agencies, and through “executive orders” he dictates to them what he wants done.

Given that agencies control so much of our lives, the presidency in effect becomes a dictatorship.

Theoretically, congress has control over them since they are its creations, but it would take an act of congress (pun intended) for them to do so. Whereas all the president has to do is issue an executive order.

This ruling by the Supreme could have a monumental effect in how we’re governed, if its upheld in future case. It would severely restrict the use of executive orders, it would also restrict dictates from unelected bureaucrats, and it would force congress to debate and go through the slower legislative process to implement new policies.

All good stuff.


49 posted on 07/02/2022 11:14:39 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Jim Noble

“But the DS is about to do to the Court what they did to the Presidency 2017-2021, and I don’t think the rulings have a snowball’s chance in Hell of being enforced.”

I have the same apprehension.

These rulings are a direct attack on the Deep State, and as with Trump they won’t take it lying down.


50 posted on 07/02/2022 12:53:41 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: semimojo

What is false about it?


51 posted on 07/03/2022 7:01:45 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
What is false about it?

It's so simplistic that it's false.

There are many, many nuanced positions between his Option 1 and "implement(ing) the current priorities of the academic left".

But nuance doesn't get clicks.

52 posted on 07/03/2022 7:57:28 AM PDT by semimojo
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