Posted on 05/02/2022 6:01:07 AM PDT by Renkluaf
An Electric Bus Caught Fire After Battery Explosion in Paris
https://youtu.be/5r-yN8SugWM
A video recording shows the start of the fire which completely consumed an electric RATP bus on Friday 29 April. The incident caused no injuries. The bus burst into flames within seconds. This is what can be seen on the video that captured the very beginning of the fire of an electric vehicle of the RATP in Paris , this Friday, April 29. In the images, we can see a small explosion occur on the roof of the bus, where the batteries are located, followed by huge flames that spread to the entire body, at breakneck speed. This line 71 bus caught fire in the 13th arrondissement of Paris in the morning, mobilizing around thirty workers, according to the firefighters contacted by Le Parisien. It is a 100% electric vehicle, from the Bolloré brand Bluebus 5SE series, like the bus that burned down at the beginning of April .
This afternoon, the RATP decided to temporarily withdraw from circulation the 149 Bolloré electric bluebuses that circulate on its network.
<>The cells appear to be in the roof of the bus.<>
Everyone knows it helps the electrons flow downward to the motors.
Friend of mine was proudly telling people that their son installs charging portals for EVs. This is the next big thing in jobs.
I’m inclined to think a diesel hybrid using less explosive batteries like zinc air might be a reasonable alternative. Need better electrolyte and more energy storage for zinc air and that could put it over the top.
You need the oxygen DESTROYER..as in the first Godzilla movie.
Apparently it was a suicide bus...
Do EVs pose more of a danger while charging then, and if so, why? Thanks. I know nothing about them but have heard they are prone to catching on fire (the lithium ion batteries in them). I’d like to be better informed.
Less explosive? How much less? I wouldn’t want to ride in any vehicle that has any chance of its battery blowing up or catching on fire on its own no matter how low the risk.
All I’ve read, from this article and many other, leads me to believe that they can catch fire, anytime. I read that a 75-100ft primary mfgr’s cord (not add-on extension cord) is needed to reach the EV outside on the driveway.
BMW, Ford, Hyundai and Chevrolet have recalled EVs in the past year due to battery defects. Fire safety guidance in some of these recalls suggests that owners not charge their EVs overnight and to park them outside of garages and away from homes until the needed repair is completed by a dealer.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/electric-cars-lighting-houses-on-fire
https://www.e-flux.io/en/fire-safety-while-charging-evs-in-a-parking-garage/
green+red=brown?
Batteries are pretty nasty when they light off. I witnessed one once. A little cell phone battery destroyed a car. The inside of the car was hot enough to start melting the windshield. 700F?
But energy is energy. You have to store a lot of energy in a small sized brick in order to move a 2000 vehicle down the road and for 300 miles.
I guess that the same can be said for gasoline. And there is probably more energy stored in a tank of gasoline than a battery pack because gasoline engines are less efficient.
Ever read the warning on your laptop? The lithium ion batteries are dangerous when not protected from temperatures in summer heat. Also are only meant to function in certain humidity levels and the batteries must not be breached exposing the lithium solution to water and/or oxygen since lithium is an unstable alkali metal. Don’t get me wrong, lithium ion batteries are great for recharging, but they have their chemical properties and must be protected from the elements.
Batteries are perfectly safe until they aren’t then WHOOSH! you are incinerated.
EV paradise?
https://whyy.org/articles/phillys-entire-fleet-of-battery-powered-buses-has-been-mia-since-february/
(Proterra buses, range issues and cracks in the plastic frames)
https://www.abqjournal.com/1386829/report-lessons-learned-from-failed-art-buses.html
(Many problems including batteries in Chinese BYD buses)
(Electric buses don’t work well in cold weather)
(Bus burns while charging)
https://energynews.us/2021/08/31/reliability-problems-stall-duluths-transition-to-electric-buses/
(Proterra buses-range and charging issues, buses have problems with hills, frames crack)
(Auditor says go slow on procurements)
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/25/the-great-toyota-zero-emissions-summer-olympics-debacle/
(Hydrogen fuel-cell buses don’t make economic sense)
(Tourists stranded-couldn’t find a charger)
https://www.keybuses.com/article/byd-closes-factory-france
(Chinese company BYD not getting enough orders)
https://www.expaturm.com/german-lifestyle/electric-buses-fire-danger/
(Fire in one electric bus destroys 25 other vehicles)
Batteries in EVs are NOT the size of bricks. They can weigh thousands of pounds.
Fires in any vehicle are bad, but the difference between a gasoline fire and a lithium ion battery fire is that the gas fire can be extinguished relatively easily using well understood and practiced techniques, while the lithium ion fires are difficult to extinguish, they can take hours to contain, and they can re-ignite after they are apparently extinguished.
I am referring to a cell phone battery which is very small.
Agreed about lithium. And it burns extremely hot.
The problem with the cell phone was that the battery charging system failed and the car, while sitting running, continued to dump energy into the cellphone battery. I was surprised because you would expect that the cellphone charging circuitry would have failed safely thereby self extinguishing the fire. However, maybe once a battery fire gets started, it “runs away” until “the fuel” is consumed.
What really concerns me is that there is talk about using batteries in homes to store solar power. A home solar battery system will store many times more energy than a little cellphone. If a battery bank system in the basement of a home lights off, it will be many times worse than a gas explosion.
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