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We Are Now At War With Russia [Karl Denninger]
The Market Ticker ^ | April 28, 2022 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 04/28/2022 4:49:25 PM PDT by kiryandil

Good God, I hope everyone in Congress recognizes what this bill, which apparently has now passed and Biden will sign it (seeing as he asked for it directly), means.

Let's recap.  Per our Constitution the military is under civilian control.  That is, the actions of the military, including weapons used by same or suitable for same, are under the control of Congress and The Executive.

Congress must authorize anything that leads to expense, and such must come from The House.  Again, this is basic Constitution stuff.

Now Congress has explicitly authorized, and Biden will sign, this bill that specifically permits the transfer to Ukraine of basically anything other than nuclear material.  Seriously folks -- that's the only real exception found in the referenced definition.

By agreeing to provide direct weaponry that can be and will be used in the waging of war by one of the two parties to same we have entered the conflict.  That our GIs are not directly there is of no consequence.  This is no different than shipping arms to Britain during WWI in the Lusitania or the lend-lease provisions in early WWII that ultimately led us to get involved there in Europe.  Indeed Pelosi directly referenced those early WWII provisions indicating that she knows damn well the implications of what Congress just did.

In fact it was lend-lease of March 1941 that led Hitler to come after the United States; we had entered the war as a belligerent by officially agreeing to supply war material to Britain.

In those two wars there was no realistic means for the Germans or other Axis powers to hit us directly on our own soil.  But they did in fact do that in response when they sunk the Lusitania, which had a bunch of Americans on board.  They could reach that ship...

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Welp.
1 posted on 04/28/2022 4:49:25 PM PDT by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

I am not surprised.


2 posted on 04/28/2022 4:51:41 PM PDT by dforest (We have to put a stop to this now.)
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To: kiryandil
We Are Now At War With Russia [Karl Denninger]

Yup, and we are stupid. This is about the dumbest thing we could have done, and I am astonished to see that so many people on our "side" has gone along with the mass hysteria.

3 posted on 04/28/2022 4:53:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: kiryandil

Congress has not been following the constitution for many many decades.

Why change now.


4 posted on 04/28/2022 4:54:15 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: kiryandil

What a mess. Our government is corrupt and way too many citizens are morally corrupt. Who are they to take our tax dollars and wage war?


5 posted on 04/28/2022 4:54:50 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: kiryandil

Under that logic we should have attacked Russia and China for sending arms to North Vietnam and North Korea.


6 posted on 04/28/2022 4:55:01 PM PDT by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commiraspute is lying is when they open their pieholes.p)
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To: kiryandil

How soon before mushrooms ?


7 posted on 04/28/2022 4:55:59 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (The enemy has US surrounded. May God have mercy on them)
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To: DiogenesLamp

We saw it with covid. “the Current Thing” is hard to resist for the weak and easily led minded. They so much want to be a part of the in crowd.


8 posted on 04/28/2022 4:56:25 PM PDT by dforest (We have to put a stop to this now.)
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To: kiryandil

FIFTY BILLION and counting. The WARMONGERS and the low-information types driven by the WAR DRUMS and OMNIPRESENT PROPAGANDA are rejoicing. Rejoicing while they complain of high prices and wonder how so many people are becoming wealthy so suddenly.


9 posted on 04/28/2022 4:58:19 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: kiryandil
In those two wars there was no realistic means for the Germans or other Axis powers to hit us directly on our own soil.

So, Pearl Harbor never happened?

10 posted on 04/28/2022 4:58:49 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: kiryandil

Welp,
Yup,
Okay.
China Played this Well.


11 posted on 04/28/2022 4:59:26 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (Free Men Choose- )
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To: no-to-illegals
The Europeeings thought Pootie was bluffing about the natgas.

Whoops!

12 posted on 04/28/2022 4:59:42 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil
Karl Denninger is a fool.

https://www.historynet.com/hitler-declared-war-united-states/

On the one hand, Hitler repeatedly ordered restraint on the German navy to avoid incidents in the Atlantic that might prematurely bring the United States into the war against Germany. Whatever steps the Americans might take in their policy of aiding Great Britain, Hitler would not take these as a pretext to go to war with the United States until he thought the time proper: American lend-lease legislation no more affected his policy toward the United States than the simultaneous vast increase in Soviet assistance to Germany influenced his decision to go to war with that country.

As a result, Hitler was caught out of town at the time of Pearl Harbor and had to get back to Berlin and summon the Reichstag to declare war. His great worry, and that of his foreign minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, was that the Americans might get their declaration of war in ahead of his own. As Ribbentrop explained it, “A great power does not allow itself to be declared war upon; it declares war on others.”

But I wouldn't expect our Russian bots to actually *know* history.

13 posted on 04/28/2022 4:59:47 PM PDT by Brellium (Why Z? Because someone stole the other half of the swastika.)
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To: All

Guess Covid wasn’t bad enough.


14 posted on 04/28/2022 5:00:32 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: marktwain

15 posted on 04/28/2022 5:01:32 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Bullcrap. No more than when we armed the afghans in the 80s


16 posted on 04/28/2022 5:02:03 PM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: kiryandil

I will not fight for the pedophiles in the US government.


17 posted on 04/28/2022 5:02:03 PM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Mushroom take about
an Hour,try a Bowl of weed.


18 posted on 04/28/2022 5:02:13 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (Free Men Choose- )
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To: kiryandil

And China, Iran and several other countries that will align with them…even North Korea.


19 posted on 04/28/2022 5:03:54 PM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: kiryandil
One of the major reasons we became directly involved in WWII, was the Japanese saw how successful the Germans were.

They thought: if we are going to get our share of the new world order, we have to act as aggressively and as forcefully as the Germans, in the Pacific.

They believe the war would be short and a new arrangement would be diplomatically reached, which acknowledged their superiority and sphere of influence. They believed they needed the raw materials and markets of the Pacific under their control, in order to survive and thrive.

All of it made a sort of sense. It simply turned out, most of their assumptions were wrong.

20 posted on 04/28/2022 5:04:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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