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What does Our Lady of Fátima have to do with Russia and Ukraine?
America Magazine ^ | March 15th, 2022 | Jane Sloan Peters

Posted on 03/21/2022 8:20:03 AM PDT by shadowlands1960

It turns out moving your thumb along a decade of rosary beads feels a lot like scrolling through a news feed. I have discovered this as I reach more and more for my rosary these days, amid the flood of horrific images and stories of Russia’s onslaught in Ukraine—most recently, the bombing of a maternity hospital in Mariupol.

Each day’s news brings fresh feelings of incredulity, anger and helplessness that gnaw at me long after I set down my phone and tend to my two young sons. I have found that praying the rosary gives somewhere for my anxiety to spill over. Even if I can’t focus on the mysteries, the act of running my thumb and forefinger from one cool, jade bead to another channels my ruminations. The repetitive prayers have sometimes felt like mindless chatter—but amid current events, the simplicity and predictability of the rosary is soothing.

On March 15, the Vatican announced that Pope Francis will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary during a penance service.

I have also been reminded these days of the rosary’s connection to Russia. On March 15, the Vatican announced that Pope Francis, heeding a request from the Catholic bishops of Ukraine, will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary during a penance service on Friday, March 25. Cardinal Konrad Krajewski, the papal almoner, will carry out the same act in Fátima on the same day.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: fatima; russia
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To: Chicory

The Fatima apparition was a “lying sign and wonder”. Our God never sends apparitions of people. He sends angels or comes Himself. No one in the Bible prayed to Mary. Jesus taught us to pray to God the Father.


21 posted on 03/21/2022 10:00:31 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Apparitions are demonic. Major deception to those who lack spiritual discernment.


22 posted on 03/21/2022 10:33:27 AM PDT by Old Yeller (A nation of sheep, produces a government of wolves.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
"Mary cannot save Russia"

No one on this thread says she can. The Church doesn't teach she saves anyone. It teaches Jesus alone is our Savior:

Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 480: Jesus Christ is true God and true man, in the unity of his divine person; for this reason he is the one and only mediator between God and men."

"Our God never sends apparitions of people. He sends angels or comes Himself."

Tell that to Saul when Samuel appeared to him (1 Samuel 28). Samuel would not have appeared if our God did not him to deliver a message to Saul. Tell that also to another Saul-- Paul of Tarsus:

Acts 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night: a man of Macedo′nia was standing beseeching him and saying, “Come over to Macedo′nia and help us.” 10 And when he had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go on into Macedo′nia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.

23 posted on 03/21/2022 10:35:18 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domi/i><p>! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: fidelis

A dream is different from an Apparition


24 posted on 03/21/2022 10:36:52 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Your namesake was a good Catholic! You should at least find out what the Catholic Church teaches before making comments like this one.

Do you not pray for others? Do you not believe in prayer warriors—that some people seem “better” at praying, perhaps because they are closer to our Lord?

Well, then, don’t you think that Mary, the mother of our Lord, would be the greatest prayer warrior of all?

When we pray to Mary, it is only to ask her to pray for us. Additionally, when she appears to us, her children, she directs us to Him just as she did the servants at Cana: do whatever *He* tells you.

And Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ at the Transfiguration as described in Scripture, so I am not so sure about your argumebt.


25 posted on 03/21/2022 10:38:15 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: fidelis
Tell that to Saul when Samuel appeared to him (1 Samuel 28).

People with Familiar Spirits speak for the demon or spirit. They don’t conjure up apparitions or demons in their presence. Notice the woman speaks for Samuel. Samuel spoke to her to get to Saul. This is different from a apparition.
26 posted on 03/21/2022 10:46:26 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Chicory

You are correct. Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus in the flesh. Not an apparition.


27 posted on 03/21/2022 10:47:52 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
“A dream is different from an Apparition.”

Paul did not have a “dream” in Acts 16, he had a vision. The Greek word is horama, which means vision. If your Bible says “dream” it is a poor translation.

28 posted on 03/21/2022 10:50:15 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domi/i><p>! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Wrong again. You need to study the Bible more. Or get a better translation:.

15 Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" Saul answered, "I am in great distress; for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams; therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do."

29 posted on 03/21/2022 10:54:25 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domi/i><p>! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: fidelis

No, it’s you who doesn’t understand Familiar Spirits. If a witch has a “Familiar spirit”, the spirit speaks through the witch. If you think an apparition of Samuel was in the room, wouldn’t Saul have hugged it or shook his hand? Weeped on his shoulder?


30 posted on 03/21/2022 11:08:48 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

How do you know that Moses and Elijah prepared in a different way than Mary has appeared?


31 posted on 03/21/2022 11:10:01 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: shadowlands1960

Over 100 years after Fatima, I’m wondering why this was not done before.


32 posted on 03/21/2022 11:38:18 AM PDT by deks
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To: Jan_Sobieski

What part of “Samuel said to Saul” are you not understanding? You are letting your preconceived notions interpret the plain meaning of the text.


33 posted on 03/21/2022 11:46:13 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domi/i><p>! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: fidelis

Nope. Why would Saul need a witch who could “speak to the dead” if Samuel could just appear in the room? A little redundant, don’t you think?


34 posted on 03/21/2022 11:51:36 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Additionally…why did only SHE see Samuel and not Saul?


35 posted on 03/21/2022 11:52:26 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Sheesh, read the text. Saul could also obviously see Saul because they were having a conversation. The particular reason in this case that Samuel appeared was, not because God took the initiative in sending him, but that God allowed the apparition to compound Sauls sin of having him called up.

Regardless of the particulars, the original fact remains that, contrary to your assertion, God does allow non-angels to appear to men to convey messages. Both the cases of Samuel and the Apostle clearly prove this.

36 posted on 03/21/2022 12:08:00 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domi/i><p>! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: G Larry

Thanks for filling in the ‘context.’


37 posted on 03/21/2022 12:17:06 PM PDT by shadowlands1960 ("...some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again... " CSL)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

You could say the same about Joan of Arc and her visions of St. Denis....


38 posted on 03/21/2022 12:18:52 PM PDT by shadowlands1960 ("...some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again... " CSL)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The funny thing about the ‘Witch of Endor’ story, is the necromancer “screamed” when Samuel actually appeared. She probably wasn’t expecting that (that is, she was a fraud).


39 posted on 03/21/2022 12:21:21 PM PDT by shadowlands1960 ("...some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again... " CSL)
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To: shadowlands1960
The funny thing about the ‘Witch of Endor’ story, is the necromancer “screamed” when Samuel actually appeared. She probably wasn’t expecting that (that is, she was a fraud).

Exactly right. The only reason that Samuel appeared is because God willed it so that Saul would receive the message condemning him for his unfaithfulness.

40 posted on 03/21/2022 12:31:00 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domi/i><p>! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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